The Colt Python story continues....

[Racer88]

Stupid Idea ? Roger that sir…
I could have overlooked your original comment; I can’t speak for other females that visit. However, your response of laughing at @One Ping suggestion to respect members on here and this ludicrous comment is offensive, and not exclusively to females. Dis’ing upstanding Patriots is unacceptable

I’m a Navy Chief that lived and worked shoulder to shoulder for 20yrs in close quarters with men of all kinds. I’m no snow flake that melts at the vulgarity of men’s sexual whims and fantasies. I’ve heard and seen all manner of perversion around the planet that males engineer & actualize.

Pontificating about your purported firearms building skills is not a free ticket to be rude. Respect is due to all members until proven otherwise… outrageous behavior expected on Reddit but not here.

Not cool dude

Please accept my apologies for the OT rant guys.

I thought about you, Chief! Points well-made and taken.

I've always said this forum is "rated R." But a little decorum and mutual respect is always good.

I can "cuss like a sailor" and often do. Even here. And I love some good humor / comedy. Even "off color." But I would not do it in a way that is demeaning or derogatory towards the "fairer sex" or any other specific group of people.

I have also made an effort to not "over-moderate" this forum or treat members like children, as I feel most other forums are over-moderated and too "woke."

We're all adults here. So, hopefully we can sort things like this out as adults in a civil manner. And I think that's what has happened here. If you treat people like adults, they act like adults! Go figure!

 

[Viking2721]

Viking actually had a very fleeting thought of sticking up for Michelle...that woman can obviously take care of herself!!!

That said, I don't think Ping was implying that the particular comment was too terribly wrong. I took it as more of a let's be aware we do have women here..

How is it even possible I'm the one moderating a cease fire

I think we can all agree...it is the blemishes fault!!!!!

 

[Hvymax]

I suppose my offense was at the implication that we can't indulge in PG level humor which in this instance particularly fit the comment that I was replying to. Not a 4 letter word or anything other than the potential definition of the word doing in that particular context. I have no issues with the presence of women. Honestly the aforementioned women I mentioned are probably my favorite people to hang out with. I'm pretty sure Michelle has heard far worse without offense. One of the primary reasons I retired was because the change to the construction culture due to the presence of sensitive people. I miss the days when if a disagreement didn't escalate to hammers and 2x4's nobody cared. Now you have to know what gender everyone is identifying as every day. Their offense is offensive to me.
Not only that I actually contribute to the firearm community. Crap I spent 2 hours on the phone this morning with a movie producer who's doing a late 1840's period and they wanted a consult on period correct firearms and how they were used. We used to have a saying about people who couldn't take a joke. Maybe I should have asked who's idea it was to let sensitive snowflakes here.

 

[Bobster]

I’m a Navy Chief that lived and worked shoulder to shoulder for 20yrs in close quarters with men of all kinds. I’m no snow flake that melts at the vulgarity of men’s sexual whims and fantasies. I’ve heard and seen all manner of perversion around the planet that males engineer & actualize.

You may pontificate all you want, ma'am.

I've always said this forum is "rated R." But a little decorum and mutual respect is always good.

I try to think of a forum as a local coffee shop. You never know if the fairer sex is listening so keep your talk civilized. It is not a strip-club where dirty talk is known to happen...

Crap I spent 2 hours on the phone this morning with a movie producer who's doing a late 1840's period and they wanted a consult on period correct firearms and how they were used.

You weren't the one who taught Alec "shoot 'er in the face" Baldwin gun safety, were you?

 

[brian]

I have an amazing amount of respect for pretty much everyone who engages on this site. I can't say that I agree with everyone, but as @Racer88 indicates we are adults. I like to try to focus on what we have in common which on this site should be obvious. I also get that at times things we type don't always come across as we intend or we intend things to be taken differently than the audience reads it (I'm really great at contextual humor - i.e. I made jokes about things with people referencing some common experience). Even at that, I try to direct humor at situations and not so much cut someone down - though I am more than willing to cut someone down for humor I also cut myself down for humor which in the grand scheme is why I have tuned out of national comedy (SNL) because if you can't or don't self-deprecate you aren't recognizing your own flaws.

Anyhow, I thought @Hvymax 's original comment was funny. And I thought @One Ping Only 's comment was funny too in that it was a respectful way to call out the fact that we do have woman (women?) here too. To me the reply to that, if any, would have been something along the lines of "just being a smart ass" or something to that effect. As an adult I can appreciate a joke. And from @Michele 's reply I gather that the initial comment could have been accepted as such at least by her.

We are all here because we have something in common. This country is being divided by wacko's who have figured out how to pit us against other. At the end of the day, we need to figure out what we have in common and how to focus on it. If that can be done on a pro-2A forum, then we are screwed as a nation!

 

[Hvymax]

You may pontificate all you want, ma'am.



I try to think of a forum as a local coffee shop. You never know if the fairer sex is listening so keep your talk civilized. It is not a strip-club where dirty talk is known to happen...



You weren't the one who taught Alec "shoot 'er in the face" Baldwin gun safety, were you?

Anyone who handed Alec Baldwin a loaded firearm is personally responsible for anything that happened. My 3yr old Granddaughter is more qualified to handle a loaded firearm than Alec Baldwin.

 

[Hvymax]

Anyone who handed Alec Baldwin a loaded firearm is personally responsible for anything that happened. My 3yr old Granddaughter is more qualified to handle a loaded firearm than Alec Baldwin.

As much as I Despise Alec Baldwin I can't hold him responsible for anything that happened on that set. The supposedly "Qualified Person"(OSHA reference) who put the gun in a literal Mannequins hand and said it was safe for the scene carries full responsibility. An actor is a Mannequin that follows direction. The Armorer etc are responsible for all props put into the Mannequins hands.

 

[Knack]

I know nothing about revolvers. That Colt looks great to me. It appears to shoot well. Someone once asked me if I bought my handgun to look at or to shoot. Like that someone, I have thing for high quality tools. It took me a while to get over the urge to covet them. I bought a set of expensive lathe chisels but kept on using the older ones that came with the second hand wood lathe I acquired. Like I was saving the good ones for something special. In time I realized how ridiculous that is. Kind of like buying a nice car that you never drive but wax every day. Once you use something, it shows. Call every scratch patina and enjoy it.

 

[Alpa Chino]

Its not about using it not.
Part of the price is paying for the brand.
Your expectations are higher or lower based on that brand.
You’d expect things to go sideways on a Spirit flight and not so much on Delta.
If you buy a Ring of Fire SNS revolver you’d pretty much expect something to be wrong with it.
Charging people $1,600 for a revolver with a manufacturing cost of probably around the $400 range creates expectations.
Quality manufacturing, quality control and customer service.
Racer got none of that…zero.
I wouldn’t expect that from Colt, Rolex, Mercedes or Delta.
For a $1,600 gun I’d expect a fucking phone call with an apology and the option of either a brand new gun or a 30% discount on the repaired blemish.
But hey that’s just me.

 

[Racer88]

Its not about using it not.
Part of the price is paying for the brand.
Your expectations are higher or lower based on that brand.
You’d expect things to go sideways on a Spirit flight and not so much on Delta.
If you buy a Ring of Fire SNS revolver you’d pretty much expect something to be wrong with it.
Charging people $1,600 for a revolver with a manufacturing cost of probably around the $400 range creates expectations.
Quality manufacturing, quality control and customer service.
Racer got none of that…zero.
I wouldn’t expect that from Colt, Rolex, Mercedes or Delta.
For a $1,600 gun I’d expect a fucking phone call with an apology and the option of either a brand new gun or a 30% discount on the repaired blemish.
But hey that’s just me.

Yeah... those days of customer service are OVER. That ship has LONG since sailed.

Welcome to post-covid customer service.

I am certainly jaded on Colt's FORMER reputation.

I made two mistakes. First, I bought into the Colt mystique and reputation. If it was ever true... it ain't true no more!

Secondly, in my excitement, I did not adequately or thoroughly inspect the gun. Furthermore, I've NEVER had ANY problem with ANY gun I've purchased in the past... and I've bought "a few." So, I wrongly assumed that - especially with COLT - it would be perfect.

Lessons learned.

My only consolation is that (I hope) I enjoy SHOOTING it. That's what it's for in the end.... to shoot and punch holes in targets with giddy abandon!

Will I ever buy another Python? Not likely.

 

[Alpa Chino]

Let me say this, you should NOT have to inspect it for that price.
It’s the FFL’s job to check for shipping damage to the packaging that may warrant a look at the gun.
That gun should be 100% A-OK.

 

[Caleb]

Unfortunately, these days you are just buying the name stamped on the item. Quality co trol as well as customer service is all but nonexistent.

 

[Racer88]

I just got an email from Colt with a link to a customer satisfaction survey.

And I let them have it! LOL! After several "agree.... strongly disagree" questions, there was a section for additional comments.

Here's what I wrote:

You asked... so here it comes...

I bought myself a 2020 Colt Python for my 60th birthday. Getting a Python has been my "dream gun" or "grail gun" for a long time.

In my excitement, I did not catch a factory blemish where the backstrap was bulged upwards by improper insertion of the rear sight roll pin. Then when I function tested by dry firing the gun (with snap caps), it malfunctioned. The trigger stuck back, and the cylinder spun freely in the closed position. So, I never fired it.

I called Colt and the customer service rep (very friendly and helpful) gave me an RMA# and shipping label to send it back. She told me that I would HEAR back (on the status) within two weeks of receiving the gun.

I honestly thought there was no way to "bend" that bulge back, and I'd be offered a replacement gun.
I never heard back from CS. After three weeks, I sent an email to inquire about the status of my warranty claim. I got NO RESPONSE. Then, I suddenly got a shipping notice, and it was apparent I was getting the original gun - repaired - back.

To my surprise, the bulge was eliminated quite well. BUT, there is abundant evidence of refinishing all around that area. I can see a difference in the surface polish. The refinished areas look more "brushed" or scratched than the rest of the gun's frame. There is also a new area on the backstrap, behind the pin, that is marred.

Furthermore, on the left side, the rear sight pin hole is now boogered up. It looks like the wrong size or wrong type of punch was used... or the right tool and the wrong HANDS.

The good news is that I function tested and live fire tested the gun with no mechanical issues. It's a very nice shooting gun. Accurate, too! And that has been my intended purpose for the gun... as a shooter.

But I did pay $1500 for this gun as NEW.

I made two mistakes. First, I bought into the Colt mystique and reputation. If it was ever true... it ain't true no more!

Secondly, in my excitement, I did not adequately or thoroughly inspect the gun at the time of purchase. Furthermore, I've NEVER had ANY problem with ANY gun I've purchased in the past... and I've bought "a few." So, I wrongly assumed that - especially with COLT - it would be perfect.

I hope to enjoy the gun just as a fun range shooter. I am fairly confident it will prove to be just that. But my impression of Colt has been severely tarnished. I got a blemished gun, and the warranty service sent back a differently and additionally blemished gun. I won't send it back again.

I would NOT recommend Colt to my fellow enthusiasts. And I will not likely buy more Colt guns. And believe me... I would have! Especially if you come out with a blued version of the Python. But there are other Colts, including the SAA revolver, that I already had my eyes on. Not any more.

I am a VERY active (and well-known) participant on multiple online gun forums. I am also the owner of a quickly growing gun forum. I have already shared my experience and will continue to do so.

As many of our parents would say... I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.

 

[Caleb]

I have the feeling that you will not hear anything positive back from them. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[Alpa Chino]

I hate those surveys with a passion.
You speak to some crackhead on the phone for three seconds and you get a survey.
Three follow up emails to remind you.
SMH

 

[Mooner]

I hate those surveys with a passion.

I have noticed a company usually cherry-pick only positive one. I always go to Google Review and copy and paste so the public will see as well.

 

[Racer88]

I have the feeling that you will not hear anything positive back from them. I hope I’m wrong.

I fully expect to hear nothing.

 

[Bobster]

As much as I Despise Alec Baldwin I can't hold him responsible for anything that happened on that set.

Sorry, DH anti-gun Baldwin gets NO passes from me. Call me a Firearm-Safety-Fudd but HE pulled the trigger and HE is responsible for killing a co-worker! Passing the blame and buck is fucking bullshit!

Out of habit, if someone gives me a gun and says it unloaded, I check for status anyway. If someone hands me a gun and says it IS loaded and ready to fire, I take them at their word and treat it as such, with careful handling and I either fire it, holster it or unload it depending on the circumstance.

Explaining the preventable Baldwin murder to an Irish member unfamiliar with single-action revolvers at another forum: "you pull the hammer back half-way, open the loading gate, spin the cylinder to check for rounds in the chambers, close the loading gate, lower the hammer--it literally takes LESS time to DO it than it does to describe it." BTW, It was a rehearsal so there shouldn't have even been blanks in the gun.

 

[Racer88]

Sorry, DH anti-gun Baldwin gets NO passes from me. Call me a Firearm-Safety-Fudd but HE pulled the trigger and HE is responsible for killing a co-worker! Passing the blame and buck is fucking bullshit!

And bear in mind, he has long been VERY outspoken against gun ownership by mere peons... I mean citizens.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Explaining the preventable Baldwin murder to an Irish member unfamiliar with single-action revolvers at another forum: "you pull the hammer back half-way, open the loading gate, spin the cylinder to check for rounds in the chambers, close the loading gate, lower the hammer--it literally takes LESS time to DO it than it does to describe it." BTW, It was a rehearsal so there shouldn't have even been blanks in the gun.

There's your problem. You can't explain anything to an Irishman.