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Bongo Lewi said:
Off road is the ideal scenario for electric powered vehicles. The ability to control the speed of each wheel separately is a huge advantage in difficult terrain, as is the sheer torque that an electric motor can provide. It also provides 100% of its torque from 1 rpm to whatever its limit is... say 3000 rpm. This is impossible with an ICE and conventional transmission.

There are military prototypes of this but I dont know any car maker (or start up) talking about a civilian off-road EV yet. There is a EV Wrangler and Cherokee but in my mind retrofitting motors and batteries to an ICE vehicle is like trying to teach a pig to fly. Best to design the vehicle from the ground up as an EV.

The cybertruck has some cool capabilities but I dont think its designed to competitive in true off roading. Nobody is crawling rocks with a cybertruck. It can tread water pretty well though. The batteries are sealed and then further protected by automagically pressurizing when the car is in water.

Full disclosure: I have 3 Jeeps and drive off-road every day.
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Thanks for your thoughts on this. I'm ALWAYS off-road. I live off more than 8-miles of dirt/rock roads and have to maintain the last 1/2 mile on my own. I rebuilt an antique skid steer and use it continuously maintaining our road. I only have two jeeps now and have had to tow uncounted other vehicles and delivery trucks out of ditches, holes, snow, ice, soft-spots etc. using both of them.

Then, on other days I head up to the high mountains in Colorado and beat around out there (when I'm not hiking or skiing). I've basically ignored EV vehicles thinking that someday they might meet my expectations. I'd only consider one if I can put oversized wheels/tires on them and run them off-road at least some of the time.

I have heard that the EV Cherokee is "okay", but I don't know about the Wrangler.

All that said ... if gas is not available, I can make any EV useful and could charge them off my solar.
 
Steelart99 said:
Thanks for your thoughts on this. I'm ALWAYS off-road. I live off more than 8-miles of dirt/rock roads and have to maintain the last 1/2 mile on my own. I rebuilt an antique skid steer and use it continuously maintaining our road. I only have two jeeps now and have had to tow uncounted other vehicles and delivery trucks out of ditches, holes, snow, ice, soft-spots etc. using both of them.

Then, on other days I head up to the high mountains in Colorado and beat around out there (when I'm not hiking or skiing). I've basically ignored EV vehicles thinking that someday they might meet my expectations. I'd only consider one if I can put oversized wheels/tires on them and run them off-road at least some of the time.

I have heard that the EV Cherokee is "okay", but I don't know about the Wrangler.

All that said ... if gas is not available, I can make any EV useful and could charge them off my solar.
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About 40% of my current power consumption is provided by solar. I'm planning on going to 100%, but only for essentials. No AC or heat. I have fireplaces that can easily keep the home comfortable in colder weather. And three dogs. Our winters are not as cold or as long as yours.

I recently upgraded my battery now just need a few more panels. I did provide for the option of charging a vehicle into my home wiring scene. Charging a vehicle doesn't consume much more power than a window air conditioner.

My home is in a 'holler' with a steep, long driveway that gets muddy and slick. My summer place is a hunting/fishing shack surrounded by salt marsh. Very wet, mucky, and the unpaved route to get there is about 8 miles of fine sand. Anything with less than ten inches of ground clearance won't make it. Hurricanes and nor' easters often require me to drive thru salt water.

A 4x4 EV that can handle that doesn't exist yet.
 
Racer88 said:
Yeah... fuck this shit.


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Whiny bitch. Low aptitude butterballl living with Mom after his wife left him for the 22 year old intern at work.

The car tells you exactly how many miles you have left and where the charging stations are on a map. I call bullshit. Or the guy is just stupid. Apps like Plugshare can also help you plan long trips. As in where to stop before you have nothing left. This doofus had to know he was going to have to stop to charge on a 700 mile trip.

Third party charging stations require an app. This is not a surprise you discover after buying the car.

I'll bet when he learned to drive, he ran out of gas because he thought "E" meant enough.

That EV Charger gets pretty good reviews by people who are into performance cars.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
Whiny bitch. Low aptitude butterballl living with Mom after his wife left him for the 22 year old intern at work.

The car tells you exactly how many miles you have left and where the charging stations are on a map. I call bullshit. Or the guy is just stupid. Apps like Plugshare can also help you plan long trips. As in where to stop before you have nothing left. This doofus had to know he was going to have to stop to charge on a 700 mile trip.

Third party charging stations require an app. This is not a surprise you discover after buying the car.

I'll bet when he learned to drive, he ran out of gas because he thought "E" meant enough.

That EV Charger gets pretty good reviews by people who are into performance cars.
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He might be a whiny bitch. But there have been TONS of reports of chargers being non-functional / broken / out of order. At a plaza on the turnpike here, where I sometimes stop for gas... There is almost always a waiting line for the chargers (about 8 of them). And invariably at least 3 of them are out of order at any given time. Of course, I'm in and out in about 3 minutes, while the EV charging line hasn't moved. Bye-bye, suckers! :ROFLMAO:

Near my work, there is a plaza that has about 6 chargers in the corner. They've been there for at least a year. I think I've seen a TOTAL of 3 cars using them. They're usually vacant.
 
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On the Subaru forum, I just saw a thread.... Guy's thinking about buying a used '24 Solterra Premium (EV). It's got ONLY 4000 miles on it.

Price used: $24,000

Price new (2024): $46,000

So in ONE year and only 4000 miles on the clock, the value dropped by nearly HALF. Ouch!
 
Racer88 said:
He might be a whiny bitch. But there have been TONS of reports of chargers being non-functional / broken / out of order. At a plaza on the turnpike here, where I sometimes stop for gas... There is almost always a waiting line for the chargers (about 8 of them). And invariably at least 3 of them are out of order at any given time.
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That's why you buy a Tesla if you drive a lot. Or longer distances.

If the doughboy with the Charger just drove around town, like cruising for jailbait past the local high school, there would be no problem.

For a while, libtards were vandalizing charging stations. A strange contradiction since they say they love the planet.

Tesla supercharger locations:

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Bongo Lewi said:
That's why you buy a Tesla if you drive a lot. Or longer distances.

If the doughboy with the Charger just drove around town, like cruising for jailbait past the local high school, there would be no problem.

For a while, libtards were vandalizing charging stations. A strange contradiction since they say they love the planet.

Tesla supercharger locations:

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So based on what you've posted, I wouldn't be able to make it out of my state... literally.

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Those arent all the chargers. Just the superchargers.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
Those arent all the chargers. Just the superchargers.
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Yes... I figured that. So, I'd have to use SLOW chargers to get out of the state and it would take at least a couple of stops... just to get to the state line. In my ICE car, I can gas up ANYWHERE in 3 minutes and be good for another 500 miles. Pull off on ANY exit and have a choice of multiple gas stations, each with plenty of working pumps with no wait... 3 minutes... and off again for another 500 miles.

I ain't got time for no chargin'. Holy shit, that would drive me fucking bananas... FINDING a charging location... HOPING they're in working order.... WAITING for a charger... and then WAITING for the charge. Rinse and repeat every 200 miles! Aaaaaagh!
 
Racer88 said:
Yes... I figured that. So, I'd have to use SLOW chargers to get out of the state and it would take at least a couple of stops... just to get to the state line. In my ICE car, I can gas up ANYWHERE in 3 minutes and be good for another 500 miles. Pull off on ANY exit and have a choice of multiple gas stations, each with plenty of working pumps with no wait... 3 minutes... and off again for another 500 miles.

I ain't got time for no chargin'. Holy shit, that would drive me fucking bananas... FINDING a charging location... HOPING they're in working order.... WAITING for a charger... and then WAITING for the charge. Rinse and repeat every 200 miles! Aaaaaagh!
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In 1977 people waited in gas lines for hours. I wouldn't bet on gasoline being available like it is today if a shooting war with Russia happens. I try to always plan for contingencies. Sunlight will never be rationed.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
In 1977 people waited in gas lines for hours. I wouldn't bet on gasoline being available like it is today if a shooting war with Russia happens. I try to always plan for contingencies. Sunlight will never be rationed.
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LOL! It ain't 1977, and I ain't the least bit worried about that. Right now and for the forseeable future, traveling cross-country in an EV will NEVER EVER approach the convenience of an ICE car. I wouldn't drive one, if it was offered to me as a free gift. I really wouldn't.

I understand that some people don't see all the challenges of charging an EV as an inconvenience. But for me, it would be pure torture. It really would. I do NOT have that kind of patience.
 
All I have to say is that if I'm on a road trip, and my car needs energy, I KNOW that I can get off the highway if I see a Bucee's or RaceTrac or Shell or Texaco or whatever sign before the exit and get the needed energy with minimal delay. I'm not talking about hurricanes or natural disasters where a dearth of energy may be present at the aforementioned establishments...
 
Bongo Lewi said:
That's why you buy a Tesla if you drive a lot. Or longer distances.

If the doughboy with the Charger just drove around town, like cruising for jailbait past the local high school, there would be no problem.

For a while, libtards were vandalizing charging stations. A strange contradiction since they say they love the planet.

Tesla supercharger locations:

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YIKES, I-90 in Montana is 552.54 miles (the longest segment of I-90 within a single state)

However, I see that there MAY be 1 charging station along the route. What could go wrong :)
 
Bobster said:
All I have to say is that if I'm on a road trip, and my car needs energy, I KNOW that I can get off the highway if I see a Bucee's or RaceTrac or Shell or Texaco or whatever sign before the exit and get the needed energy with minimal delay. I'm not talking about hurricanes or natural disasters where a dearth of energy may be present at the aforementioned establishments...
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During the aformentioned hurricanes or natural disasters the fast and slow chargers will also be dead.
 

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