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Funny, because it's true!

People who are "sensitive" to various foods, ingredients, or other substances are leveraging this (likely mostly imagined) condition as admission to the "victim" or "oppressed" status, which endows them with special privileges at all times from all people, including complete strangers.

I agree with the chef.... Get the fuck out of here!


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I agree with the chef.... Get the fuck out of here!
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Funny, because it's true!

People who are "sensitive" to various foods, ingredients, or other substances are leveraging this (likely mostly imagined) condition as admission to the "victim" or "oppressed" status, which endows them with special privileges at all times from all people, including complete strangers.

I agree with the chef.... Get the fuck out of here!


View: https://x.com/IV_Musketeer/status/1976637832845574262


Completely disagree. I have real food allergies. I break out in hives if I eat butter or high fat dairy products. I am lucky that I have never had hives in my throat or anaphylaxis. I've had it for 40 years. I know what has butter in it and quietly avoid these foods. I try be as discreet as possible when ordering food.

I've dealt with this and people's attitudes towards it for a long time. My oldest child has a peanut and tree nut allergy, pretty severe. Found out when she was 9 months old. I warned my wife that people think it's bullshit and will tell us something doesn't have peanuts but we have to read the ingredients for ourselves. They don't have skin in the game and think it's all bullshit. First birthday party my daughter went to, we asked if the cake was nut free. The host assured us it was nut free. I found the box and it had nuts in it along with made on shared equipment with peanuts. My wife believed me after that. We went 13 years without an incident but one night my daughter had a salad kit with crunchy add ins. We didn't read the ingredients because we had similar salads before and the ingredients were fine. Well, within 10 seconds of taking a bite, my daughter said her tongue was burning and she started itching. We grabbed the package and to our horror, it had peanuts and cashews in it. Her two worst allergies. That was a fun night in the ER. Did not have to Epi her but it was close.

For people with real allergies, it is not a joke and is life threatening. That chef can go fuck himself.
 
Completely disagree. I have real food allergies. I break out in hives if I eat butter or high fat dairy products. I am lucky that I have never had hives in my throat or anaphylaxis. I've had it for 40 years. I know what has butter in it and quietly avoid these foods. I try be as discreet as possible when ordering food.

I've dealt with this and people's attitudes towards it for a long time. My oldest child has a peanut and tree nut allergy, pretty severe. Found out when she was 9 months old. I warned my wife that people think it's bullshit and will tell us something doesn't have peanuts but we have to read the ingredients for ourselves. They don't have skin in the game and think it's all bullshit. First birthday party my daughter went to, we asked if the cake was nut free. The host assured us it was nut free. I found the box and it had nuts in it along with made on shared equipment with peanuts. My wife believed me after that. We went 13 years without an incident but one night my daughter had a salad kit with crunchy add ins. We didn't read the ingredients because we had similar salads before and the ingredients were fine. Well, within 10 seconds of taking a bite, my daughter said her tongue was burning and she started itching. We grabbed the package and to our horror, it had peanuts and cashews in it. Her two worst allergies. That was a fun night in the ER. Did not have to Epi her but it was close.

For people with real allergies, it is not a joke and is life threatening. That chef can go fuck himself.

I'm not suggesting allergies aren't real. Well... except "gluten allergy," which is a common claim. Sensitivities and reactions are NOT the same as a true allergy.

Real allergies can be life-threatening. But yeah... it's not MY responsibility to ensure someone ELSE (1 out of 1000 people) is safe from his / her allergies.

As you pointed out, you can't trust someone else's statement on whether a cake or other dish is allergen-free. YOU have to ascertain that. So good on you for that (and smart). "Don't trust AND verify," is an especially good policy when allergies can be fatal.

I think the issue people have is that SOME of those with allergies expect the world to adapt to THEIR allergies. "If my kid is allergic, then NO KIDS can have this food." Yeah.... fuck that.

Similarly, when someone on an airliner demands the passenger next to them wear a mask because of THEIR health "issues." That's a negative ghost rider. YOU can wear a mask.... or don't fly. I'm going to enjoy myself as planned and as I normally conduct myself (minding my own damned business).

When our daughter had leukemia and ZERO immune system, we did not insist the rest of the world accommodate her. Why? Because it's poor form and UNREASONABLE, that's why. We either kept her home or put a mask on her. WE adapted. We didn't insist everyone else adapt. Again... because it's socially unreasonable.

I agree with the chef that the minority with allergies should not and CANNOT unreasonably insist that a restaurant get rid of everything THEY are allergic to... depriving everyone else of the enjoyment of those foods. Go somewhere else or stay home.

I sympathize, but I'm not going to jump through hoops (unless it's MY kid or me). Harsh, eh? ;)
 
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Gluten allergies are serious too. The test is a bit invasive as they take a piece of your stomach but it is a food allergy just like the rest. You have five different levels of gluten/wheat allergies. Some that are Celiac can have some extreme reactions and it affects around 1% of the population. Had an employee with Celiac and was eating lunch with them. They would always ask if the item had gluten or processed with anything that had gluten. One of the restaurants said yes to all but they were either lying or did not know. She broke out in hives all over right in front of me and had to go home for the day. So, not anaphylaxis but was a reaction that also caused extreme gastro issues.

I'm lactose intolerant. It is bad if I eat anything that is high in lactose. Extreme stomach cramps until it is all out of my system which take around three hours but can be quite painful as everything is coming out before and during that meal.

I do think many that don't eat gluten do so as it is a trendy or recommend by diet books, but it is a real and serious issue for many. If you are a chef, you have got to take it seriously and just deal with it or don't and let the customers know that everything is contaminated. You don't have to be everything to everybody so doing catering to those with food allergies is a choice. Most with serious allergies know where they can and can't go.

Disney is the absolute best place if you have any type of food allergies. I've never seen a company that was so serious and methodical in dealing with food allergies. They send the chef to your table to speak to you about your allergies, the ingredients, and make your dish just for you without those ingredients if they would normally have them in the dish. Just fantastic level of service and commitment to safety but I haven't been to Disney for many years due to wokeness and their last CEO's actions.
 
Gluten allergies are serious too. The test is a bit invasive as they take a piece of your stomach but it is a food allergy just like the rest. You have five different levels of gluten/wheat allergies. Some that are Celiac can have some extreme reactions and it affects around 1% of the population. Had an employee with Celiac and was eating lunch with them. They would always ask if the item had gluten or processed with anything that had gluten. One of the restaurants said yes to all but they were either lying or did not know. She broke out in hives all over right in front of me and had to go home for the day. So, not anaphylaxis but was a reaction that also caused extreme gastro issues.

I'm lactose intolerant. It is bad if I eat anything that is high in lactose. Extreme stomach cramps until it is all out of my system which take around three hours but can be quite painful as everything is coming out before and during that meal.

I do think many that don't eat gluten do so as it is a trendy or recommend by diet books, but it is a real and serious issue for many. If you are a chef, you have got to take it seriously and just deal with it or don't and let the customers know that everything is contaminated. You don't have to be everything to everybody so doing catering to those with food allergies is a choice. Most with serious allergies know where they can and can't go.

Disney is the absolute best place if you have any type of food allergies. I've never seen a company that was so serious and methodical in dealing with food allergies. They send the chef to your table to speak to you about your allergies, the ingredients, and make your dish just for you without those ingredients if they would normally have them in the dish. Just fantastic level of service and commitment to safety but I haven't been to Disney for many years due to wokeness and their last CEO's actions.

Since this evolved into a whole unfunny discussion, I moved it out of the "Funny Shit" thread. :)



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And as I mentioned before... sensitivity / reaction does NOT necessarily mean true allergy.
 
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Since this evolved into a whole unfunny discussion, I moved it out of the "Funny Shit" thread. :)



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And as I mentioned before... sensitivity / reaction does NOT necessarily mean true allergy.
That's like saying there is no safety plunger in a Glock. That would be correct as it is a firing pin safety but everyone knows what you are talking about. The term Gluten allergy is not a medical term much like a sore throat is not a medical term but how many times have you heard someone call it pharyngitis outside of the medical community and even they say sore throat to their patients.

There is something called Gluten ataxia and, yes, that's the medical term. It is a rare neurological condition associated with gluten sensitivity. It affects the nervous system and can lead to balance and coordination issues. Like celiac disease, it is linked to an immune response to gluten, but it primarily impacts the brain and nervous system rather than the digestive tract.
 
The chef that made that video does not have allergies or a family member that does. He thinks it is all bullshit. How would you react to someone walking around the range with a revolver, hammer back, tucked into waistband, no holster? It would be unsafe and shockingly dangerous. He might get away with it might not. That's the way his family does things and nobody ever had a problem with it.

People with real allergies don't make a big deal about it. We just ask and rely on truthful responses. This jackass makes it sound like it's all fake and he doesn't think he needs to do anything about it. He may as well flag his customers with a loaded gun, safety off and hammer back. He might change his mind when someone dies in his restaurant because he "forgot" peanut sauce has peanuts in it.

I agree, life style choice people are a problem. They are the loudest and most obnoxious about it. Nothing bad will happen to them if there is a slip up in the kitchen.

I'm sorry to be a buzz kill in the humor thread but there is no humor in this and it can't be defended at any level. My daughter's life is on the line and maybe my life if someone doesn't take it seriously. Racer88, how would you respond if I commented that the whole zero immune thing with your daughter's treatment was overblown and she was being dramatic? No need to respond, I know the answer.
 
How would you react to someone walking around the range with a revolver, hammer back, tucked into waistband, no holster? It would be unsafe and shockingly dangerous. He might get away with it might not. That's the way his family does things and nobody ever had a problem with it.
That's dangerous to everyone.... universally dangerous.

People with real allergies don't make a big deal about it. We just ask and rely on truthful responses.
I'm cool with that, of course. But I don't think I'd RELY on "truthful responses," because in reality a lot of people just don't know what ingredients are in things. Ultimately, you have to rely on yourself, IMO.

This jackass makes it sound like it's all fake and he doesn't think he needs to do anything about it. He may as well flag his customers with a loaded gun, safety off and hammer back.

He might be a jackass. He might have just had a bad day. And SOME people can be exhausting... Ever met a vegan? LOL! ;)

I'm sorry to be a buzz kill in the humor thread but there is no humor in this and it can't be defended at any level.

That's why I moved it. Not really funny. Though I "get" that chef's frustration. And I found his tirade amusing. Sue me! ;)

Racer88, how would you respond if I commented that the whole zero immune thing with your daughter's treatment was overblown and she was being dramatic? No need to respond, I know the answer.

Hmmmm... that's an interesting way to put it, because it's based on some erroneous assumptions. My daughter never expressed ANYthing about it. So, "dramatic" is an assumption. She was 11 years old. She just wanted to live her life. She never insisted anyone accommodate her. And neither did we, her parents. EVER.

If someone made such a baseless comment, I would just smile and ignore and walk away. But the context for such a comment would never happen, since we didn't insist anyone make special accommodations for her. Again.... EVER. We didn't go around announcing to people that she had leukemia or zero immune system. We kept it to ourselves when out in public. And as necessary... we simply didn't go out in public. It was OUR business and OUR problem. We didn't make it everyone else's problem.
 
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You should be able to ask at a restaurant if a dish has a particular ingredient. That chef's being overly emotional like an effeminate democrat.

People do sometimes go too far with that stuff though. My sister-in-law has celiac disease, and a few years ago I had my first and my last totally gluten free Christmas dinner. She didn't have a single thing for people that can have flour/bread. Total inconsideration.
 
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You should be able to ask at a restaurant if a dish has a particular ingredient. That chef's being overly emotional like an effeminate democrat.
No argument. I still found it amusing when he apparently reached his limit. I'm a horrible person! ;)

My sister-in-law has celiac disease, and a few years ago I had my first and my last totally gluten free Christmas dinner. She didn't have a single thing for people that can have flour/bread. Total inconsideration.
The NERVE! LOL!
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Some gluten free foods can be fantastic but none are 100% as good as they are with gluten. It’s tough to make Gluten free breads and if someone is gluten and egg free you can forgettaboutit. It’s gonna be dense and brick like.
 
Back in the early 90's my step-step daughter was supposedly* alergic to some common food ingredient. When she was with us I purchased special food for her. The rest of the family got regular food.

I don't remember what it was, I just remember it was in nearly everything, which made shopping trips much longer. It might have been soy.

I say supposedly as I did not ask for any proof from my ex wife's first ex husband's second ex wife.
(I am aware of the Spaceballs jokes that could come from this)
Oh, what the hell

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There is Munchhausen by proxy, so you never know what was really going on. If you haven't seen "The Act" mini-series, you should.
 
My kids ate plenty of dirt, drank out of the garden hose, still ride bikes without a helmet. Most of the things I did. Just can't eat peanuts.

On a happy note, she was just cleared to eat hazel nuts which means Nutella. The first tree nut product of her life. She said it tastes like pure joy and a gift from God.
 
Bacon will certainly seal the deal in the Middle East. Bacon-free for 3500 years.
 
While my wife has some dietary restrictions that came about with certain diagnosis', we don't 'expect' to get special treatment at restaurants. We ask certain questions about how things are prepared and if they don't work with her restrictions, we don't eat there. I may if I'm eating out without her but together we go somewhere else. We have a few (very few) places that we can eat at that she doesn't have problems with the food. That's where we go. Unfortunately this pretty much leaves out Mexican, Italian, and every other ethnic food place around. But no, we don't expect any restaurant to alter their means and methods to suit us. And I dearly miss garlic, onion, and green peppers in my food.
 
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