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A friend was showing me his new revolver. I trust this person 100%, probably more safety conscious than me. So, I watch him unload the revolver. He hands it to me. I point it in a safe direction, swing out the cylinder. Pull one more round out and hand it to him. We both verify a FULLY empty cylinder with a mutual f-bomb thrown in.

You can never be too safe. Never trust anyone no matter how safe you think they are. Every gun is loaded.
 
bkbrno said:
A friend was showing me his new revolver. I trust this person 100%, probably more safety conscious than me. So, I watch him unload the revolver. He hands it to me. I point it in a safe direction, swing out the cylinder. Pull one more round out and hand it to him. We both verify a FULLY empty cylinder with a mutual f-bomb thrown in.

You can never be too safe. Never trust anyone no matter how safe you think they are. Every gun is loaded.
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Yep, I get handed a gun to look at in a gun store and check it even though I just watched the rep do it.
 
2014... I was standing at the counter in a LGS shooting the shit with a guy who worked there. His co-worker pulls a used semi-auto shot gun out of a box they received that day from USPS as a transfer. The buyer was standing near me as the gun was unpacked. It was loaded. 12 ga rounds in the tube mag and one in the chamber.

Major WTF. Jaws dropped. Good thing the LGS dude followed procedure.
 
The LGS guys told me that this happens all the time. Loaded guns being shipped by the seller.

Not a total surprise when you consider some of the lunkheads I have observed at gun ranges. It's a rookie thing to not check a weapon you hand someone or one handed to you.

This is why some FFLs will only accept transfers from another FFL.

If that shotgun had gone off in shipping/handling, which was entirely possible, the seller would probably be facing charges.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
The LGS guys told me that this happens all the time. Loaded guns being shipped by the seller.
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I've told this story before. I did a "private lesson" with an acquaintance who is a local attorney. He asked me to teach him. We began at a table in a private office. He brought his three guns (all micro-compacts). All were loaded and chambered. And he had no idea how to UNload them.
 
Racer88 said:
I've told this story before. I did a "private lesson" with an acquaintance who is a local attorney. He asked me to teach him. We began at a table in a private office. He brought his three guns (all micro-compacts). All were loaded and chambered. And he had no idea how to UNload them.
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<sigh> .... and then there's a negligent discharge and it's the gun's fault.

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Somewhat related:

When I was 12-13 years old I was hanging out at a friends house. We were shooting our Crossman pellet guns. A neighbor of his, who was an older teen and always high on something walks over with a CO2 pistol to join us. But the gun doesn't work.

He's obviously stoned and cant begin to figure out what's wrong with the gun. So my buddy said maybe put a fresh CO2 bottle in the gun. He agrees and borrowed one from my friend. It fit inside the grip.

We were all standing together looking at this pistol. The stoner takes the old bottle out, puts the new one in and with the muzzle pointed up and right at my face begins to tighten the screw that holds the bottle in and punctures the seal. I instinctively pushed the muzzle away from my face and a couple turns of the screw and a second or two later two pellets or bb's that were in the gun come flying out at 300 maybe 400 fps. I probably would have lost an eye and certainly would have been seriously injured.

The stoner says, "Oh wow man. I didn't know that was gonna happen."
 
Bongo Lewi said:
Somewhat related:

When I was 12-13 years old I was hanging out at a friends house. We were shooting our Crossman pellet guns. A neighbor of his, who was an older teen and always high on something walks over with a CO2 pistol to join us. But the gun doesn't work.

He's obviously stoned and cant begin to figure out what's wrong with the gun. So my buddy said maybe put a fresh CO2 bottle in the gun. He agrees and borrowed one from my friend. It fit inside the grip.

We were all standing together looking at this pistol. The stoner takes the old bottle out, puts the new one in and with the muzzle pointed up and right at my face begins to tighten the screw that holds the bottle in and punctures the seal. I instinctively pushed the muzzle away from my face and a couple turns of the screw and a second or two later two pellets or bb's that were in the gun come flying out at 300 maybe 400 fps. I probably would have lost an eye and certainly would have been seriously injured.

The stoner says, "Oh wow man. I didn't know that was gonna happen."
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My dad made sure that my brother and I treated our air guns like firearms.
 
My uncle was that guy. He was very strict. My father had no interest in guns or hunting. His brother was the total opposite. My cousin and I used to joke that we were switched at birth. She had zero interest in camping, hunting, guns, anything outdoorsy.
 
I taught my kids guns & safety with BB guns when they turned 5-6 years old. Reinforced along the way as they discovered powder burners. Always made sure they knew how to unload a gun before loading it. Got them in the habit of always checking loaded status even if someone clears the gun right in front of them. It should be second nature. :)

At a Public Day a couple months ago, I'm talking to another RSO but watching the line. A couple guys are shooting a Garand and PSAK. The Garand goes "sproing!" and is empty. The AK shooter drops his mag. They want to go "cold" to check their targets but I inform the AK shooter he still has a round in the chamber, he racks the bolt and ejects the round. :rolleyes: I advised him to get a chamber flag so this doesn't happen again and to help make the RSO's lives easier. :)
 
Bobster said:
I advised him to get a chamber flag so this doesn't happen again and to help make the RSO's lives easier. :)
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I use chamber flag at our outdoor range when it goes cold. And every time, the RSO apparently HAS to tell me, "You don't need to use those." :rolleyes:

I reply, I'm just trying to make your job easier. But the real reason is so they don't pick up my guns to check like they do a lot of the other shooters' guns. They can just walk by quickly and confirm visually from a distance.
 
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Racer88 said:
I use chamber flag at our outdoor range when it goes cold. And every time, the RSO apparently HAS to tell me, "You don't need to use those." :rolleyes:

I reply, I'm just trying to make your job easier. But the real reason is so they don't pick up my guns to check like they do a lot of the other shooters' guns. They can just walk by quickly and confirm visually from a distance.
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I belonged to a range that was obsessive about using chamber flags. Mandatory. The most strict range I ever belonged to. I hated it at first but I came around. If you didnt have one, the RSO would give you one or two. No more than two guns at the firing line and the one you were not shooting at the moment needed to have a flag in it.
 
My club range requires chamber flags inserted before the range is considered cold, too, which as a CRSO, I don't mind one but!
 
When the range goes "cold" on Public Days, shooters are required to remove their mags (don't have to be empty) and open the slide/bolt so we can clearly see there is no round in the chamber. A lot of AKs will drop the bolt when the mag is removed, hence the flag... :)
 
Bobster said:
shooters are required to remove their mags (don't have to be empty) and open the slide/bolt so we can clearly see there is no round in the chamber.
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Yeah... but if I don't put a flag in there, the RSOs are compelled to touch the guns even though the slides or bolts are clearly locked back. Putting a flag in there stops them from touching my guns.
 

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