Fight me! FRT’s are bad news.

[Pern]

I’m stepping in it, I know but I believe legal FRT’s are going to be bad.
Glockifornia case in point, all Glocks bad because they can be easily converted to Full automatic. Ban all Glocks, next step…..

God in heaven forbid there is another shooting and an FRT is involved…………
Democrats will jump on this with videos on Fox and CNN videos of semiautomatic rifles with FRT’s installed and the sheep public will be convinced all semi automatic weapons must be banned because they all shoot at full auto cycle rates.

 

[FrankenGlock]

Not terribly concerned as congress would need to change the laws and they can't even agree to a budget that will even get governmental employees paid.

What does concern me is states being able to regulate or ban firearm parts. For the life of me, I do not understand why guns and gun parts are not all covered by the 2A. I mean, what would stop a state from saying that springs in a firearm present a clear and present danger to the public and pass a law that would make springs illegal. In effect, it would be a ban of all semi-automatics.

 

[Racer88]

I wouldn't touch an "FRT."

 

[Pern]

Not terribly concerned as congress would need to change the laws and they can't even agree to a budget that will even get governmental employees paid.

What does concern me is states being able to regulate or ban firearm parts. For the life of me, I do not understand why guns and gun parts are not all covered by the 2A. I mean, what would stop a state from saying that springs in a firearm present a clear and present danger to the public and pass a law that would make springs illegal. In effect, it would be a ban of all semi-automatics.

Yes, it seems as though scotus is irrelevant.

 

[FrankenGlock]

Yes, it seems as though scotus is irrelevant.

Maybe they just need the right case and that may be coming up soon. However, states do not care what the constitution says anymore and just pass what they want and let the public fight it out in court. Once they lose, they pass a slightly different law with the same effect. Rinse, wash, repeat so it just stays in court and they get their way. I've said it so many times but there is no accountability for passing laws that go against the constitution even though they took an oath to defend the constitution.

 

[Bobster]

A guy at the Action Pistol at my range today said he just received a Taurus TX-22 which he bought mainly to put an FRT in. The place he tried to buy one from wouldn't ship to FL. This is written into the bumpstock ban that was part of the MSD bill (or Pulse?) apparently which Cunt Scott knee-jerkingly signed...

I handled a TX-22 and didn't like the "lump" at the back of the grip but the SIG P322 porridge was just right...

 

[James Moore]

Yes, let's steer clear of any 2A item that that anti-gun crowd could use to say that this, that or the other should be banned.

What about ammo?
If you couldn't buy ammo, then FRTs wouldn't be a problem.

How about full auto BCGs?
Should we ban them also?
Without those, an FRT is useless.
The reduced BCG weight also decreases weapon functionality, without other changes to the weapon. I'm sure that would be a plus for the Anti-Gun crowd.

Let's also just reduced mag capacities? May 5 or 10 round max? That wouldn't be so scary, even with an FRT.

Where do you want to stop, so we don't scare anyone while exercising our Constitutional Rights?

 

[Racer88]

Yes, let's steer clear of any 2A item that that anti-gun crowd could use to say that this, that or the other should be banned.

What about ammo?
If you couldn't buy ammo, then FRTs wouldn't be a problem.

How about full auto BCGs?
Should we ban them also?
Without those, an FRT is useless.
The reduced BCG weight also decreases weapon functionality, without other changes to the weapon. I'm sure that would be a plus for the Anti-Gun crowd.

Let's also just reduced mag capacities? May 5 or 10 round max? That wouldn't be so scary, even with an FRT.

Where do you want to stop, so we don't scare anyone while exercising our Constitutional Rights?

A bit of a straw man there. While I am a very strong 2A advocate, at this point in my life it doesn't make much sense to antagonize the alphabet boyz. I don't care about the public. I already scare them in so many ways! LOL! But do I want to do anything that specifically DRAWS attention from agencies that can make my life miserable? I can't afford that money or time-wise.

 

[James Moore]

While I am a very strong 2A advocate, at this point in my life it doesn't make much sense to antagonize the alphabet boyz.

I'm not sure how you justify that stance.

Especially being a very active member and the Administrator of a site dedicated to a hobby that the "alphabet boyz" have been fighting against as hard or harder than they have FRTs.

It's ok to piss them off about PMFs, but you draw the line at FRTs?

 

[Racer88]

I'm not sure how you justify that stance.

Especially being a very active member on a site dedicated to a hobby that the "alphabet boyz" have been fighting against as hard or harder than they have FRTs.

Yes. I pick my battles. Will I advocate and assert my 1st Amendment Rights? Yep! Advocate so hard that I'll even build a platform for others to do the same at my own expense? Yep! I even once appeared on a national TV program about guns and gun rights... which my friends told me I'd be crazy to do.

Will I buy a on-and-off-barely-legal-for-now "machine gun trigger" that can be traced to my name and address when they change their minds again?? Noooooooope. It helps that I'm simply not interested in an "FRT" trigger. The juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Similarly, I go against the rest of the school of fish when it comes to acquiring NFA items like suppressors or SBRs. I simply won't jump through those hoops and be on a registration list. I understand many think suppressors and SBRs are worth it. I'm regularly asked why I don't have a suppressor on my FNP-45 (comes threaded and with suppressor height sights)... or why I don't SBR my PS90, which begs for it stylistically. I answer, HELL NO, because I won't do the NFA thing... ever. Never ever. If they ever fix the NFA thing (remove at least suppressors and SBRs), THEN I'll be all over that.

Everyone has their own "line in the sand." That's mine.

 

[James Moore]

Will I buy a on-and-off-barely-legal-for-now "machine gun trigger" that can be traced to my name and address when they change their minds again?? Noooooooope. It helps that I'm simply not interested in an "FRT" trigger. The juice ain't worth the squeeze.

It's not "Barely Legal" for now. They are legal until Congress passes a law that says they aren't. The ATF lost their argument because of Garland v. Cargill. At least on the Federal level.

Apparently, at least for now, States can deny citizens their Constitutional Rights and ban whatever scares them, including FRTs, AR15s, high capacity magazines and one of the scariest of them all, Glocks.