I've been tellin' ya (for years) that they're going to eventually use the "precision" and "long range" angles to ban rifles.

Racer88 said:
Mark my words.... they're coming for "sniper rifles." What is a sniper rifle? Whatever they want it to be!
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What MIGHT induce legislation is if some "important" person has their head misted by a long shot. PRS guy with a can on the end of his rifle, 100s of yards away from the victim. He or she will initially escape capture but eventually will be caught once more evidence piles up after repeated shootings.

I'm thinking they will probably go after the ammo first. :(

DC sniper wiki They didn't use a bolt-action but a Bushy AR...

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Bongo Lewi said:
There are a lot of hunters, especially older types, who could give a rip if ARs are banned. Take away their deer rifle, the gun grabbers will have a much bigger fight on their hands.
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During the Hunter Safety courses I've mentioned this and how ALL gun-owners have to stick together.
 
Bobster said:
What MIGHT induce legislation is if some "important" person has their head misted by a long shot. P
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You mean like the president in Butler, PA?
Bobster said:
PRS guy with a can on the end of his rifle, 100s of yards away from the victim. He or she will initially escape capture but eventually will be caught once more evidence piles up after repeated shootings.
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Yep. DC sniper
 
brian said:
Which is ironic as one could argue HP ammo is safer - you won't over penetrate the assailant and in theory need few shots to stop the threat. Of course, that part of the country in general isn't 2A friendly.
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Like FMJs are less lethal. :rolleyes:

The only thing that matters is shot placement. Lethality is determined by the shooter, not the bullet.

A lot of the mythology around bullet types are marketing hype. Hollow points do expand (usually) and make a slightly larger wound channel. On the other hand, a 45 FMJ makes a bigger wound channel than a 9mm hollow point. So which is worse... let's ask NJ lawmakers. :)

If we're going to speculate on why FMJs are banned in some state I'd posit that it started with the black talon thing years ago. Misinformation. Just an excuse for another gun law in a liberal state.
 
Bobster said:
What MIGHT induce legislation is if some "important" person has their head misted by a long shot. PRS guy with a can on the end of his rifle, 100s of yards away from the victim. He or she will initially escape capture but eventually will be caught once more evidence piles up after repeated shootings.

I'm thinking they will probably go after the ammo first. :(

DC sniper wiki They didn't use a bolt-action but a Bushy AR...

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During the Hunter Safety courses I've mentioned this and how ALL gun-owners have to stick together.
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DC Sniper dude was less than 100 yards away. Usually in a parking lot adjacent to the vicim's location. Pretty much any long gun is capable at that distance. A 22LR headshot could have been fatal at that distance.

Sniping is an act, not a gun. There's zero chance of a wholesale "sniper gun" ban. Less than zero. Because it would basically have to include any long gun. The US military today has something like 13 rifles that are categorized as 'sniper rifles', which are used by trained snipers. Some are semi auto, some are bolt guns. Pretty much all of them are based on either the AR platform or the Remington 700 action. Excluding the 50 cal Barretts and their counterparts in that caliber like Serbu or Accuracy International.

I do agree there will eventually be a restriction on 50 cal for civilians. Like New York has already. Most likely at the state level not Fed. But I wouldn't rule it out that any 50 BMG will have to be registered with the Feds. I don't agree but at the same time I dont think that's going to get a groundswell of pushback due to the small number of civilians who have a 50 BMG.
 
Racer88 said:
Exactly. And I am quite certain, they will come after so-called "sniper rifles," in due time. They're already hinting at it. I can hear their future refrain.... "Nobody needs a 'sniper gun' except assassins!!!"
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And maybe THEN the Fudds will realize why they've been referred to as Fudds, because everyone of their "hunting rifles" will meet the Leftist's definition of a "sniper rifle!"
 
Bongo Lewi said:
Sniper rifles are very difficult to distinguish from hunting rifles. Mostly because there is no difference.
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I would phrase that as not "very difficult" but simply "indistinguishable".

There is only one difference between a hunting rifle and a sniper rifle: Can the game you are hunting shoot back at you? Yes or No.

"Sniping" your enemy has always used hunting arms all the way back to it's inception. When you get right down to it.... a human being is pretty fragile. What works on a White-tail deer, will do the same thing to a human. Our 18th century ancestors understood this, and nothing has really changed.

So, I wouldn't put it past the anti-2a zealots to eventually go after anything that launches a bullet.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
Like FMJs are less lethal. :rolleyes:

The only thing that matters is shot placement. Lethality is determined by the shooter, not the bullet.

A lot of the mythology around bullet types are marketing hype. Hollow points do expand (usually) and make a slightly larger wound channel. On the other hand, a 45 FMJ makes a bigger wound channel than a 9mm hollow point. So which is worse... let's ask NJ lawmakers. :)

If we're going to speculate on why FMJs are banned in some state I'd posit that it started with the black talon thing years ago. Misinformation. Just an excuse for another gun law in a liberal state.
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Much like "switchblades" or auto-knives. Why were they banned? Because of the movie, "Westside Story." Literally. They became the weapons of choice for "gangs."

Guess what's even faster to deploy than an auto knife? A fixed blade knife! Duh!

Also, I can deploy my Spyderco folders (with the hole in the blade) faster than an auto-knife.
 
Racer88 said:
Much like "switchblades" or auto-knives. Why were they banned? Because of the movie, "Westside Story." Literally. They became the weapons of choice for "gangs."

Guess what's even faster to deploy than an auto knife? A fixed blade knife! Duh!

Also, I can deploy my Spyderco folders (with the hole in the blade) faster than an auto-knife.
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You can buy switchblades in hardware stores anywhere in Europe. My brother smuggled a couple of them back to the US and gave one to me when I was 13-14. It was one of those cheap, fake pearl handled types. It broke not long after.

The folder/auto bans makes no sense. Blade length is another common restriction. I always carry a knife. My go-to for a long time has been the Benchmade Bugout. I have others but that's my overall favorite.

If in a bad location, I would carry a fixed blade and occasionally a neck knife. If 'apprehended' they will obviously disarm you but might miss the neck knife. Last ditch weapon. Guess what was also on the chain?
 
Racer88 said:
Don't hold your breath. She told me last night that she has no intention of writing back to you.
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I know she's hurt that I left her. Angry that she had to settle and picked you. :)
 

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