New Holosun 507 Comp - "SRO Killer?"

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Looks pretty slick!
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67% larger window than the regular 507!

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Interesting. But I think the reticles are a swing and a miss for serious competitors. Amateurs will buy this optic like crazy though. Orange its the new black and Holosun red dots are the new lasers.

A 2 MOA dot is too small for the majority of USPSA shooting. The circles.... I'm not sure who those are for. In the official Holosun video I saw they suggest 50 and 100 yards. With a pistol. Things that make me go hmm... What's the scenario for that?

I get this is Holosun's well oiled marketing hoopla, but in a practical sense you better know what you are doing taking a shot at 100 yards. Nobody can see what's behind the target in that situation. In self defense, you may go to prison for taking that shot. Even 50 yards is a distance where you probably have an opportunity to retreat and may have trouble defending the argument that your life was in danger. Just sayin' .

Self-defense aside... target shooters? Very few average gun owners have access to a 100 yard range. And most can't hit the X at 50 yards. The gun or optic don't help someone with zero training who goes to the range once in a while. We have discussed this before.

On the flip side, this is good motivation for Trijicon to get off the dime and update their line. I'm pretty sure Trijicon could care less about amateur gun owners who love gadgets and gizmos. That may be a mistake now that Holosun is nipping at the edges of their pro-sumer market. Triji have grown fat and lazy off government contracts. There's likely zero chance the DoD/Pentagon will ever buy Holosuns, since it is wholly owned by the CCP.
 
I get this is Holosun's well oiled marketing hoopla, but in a practical sense you better know what you are doing taking a shot at 100 yards. Nobody can see what's behind the target in that situation. In self defense, you may go to prison for taking that shot. Even 50 yards is a distance where you probably have an opportunity to retreat and may have trouble defending the argument that your life was in danger. Just sayin' .
This is a "comp" sight. Comp = competition. Or for those who don't actually compete (except with themselves at the range - like me)... a range toy sight.

Self-defense aside... target shooters? Very few average gun owners have access to a 100 yard range. And most can't hit the X at 50 yards. The gun or optic don't help someone with zero training who goes to the range once in a while. We have discussed this before.
Really? Even here, we have a 100 yard outdoor range. In any case, shooting pistols at 100 yards is reserved for those truly competent pistoleros or those suffering delusion or just want to see if they can do it.

That said... the 100 yard range is designated for rifles. I doubt they'd let anyone shoot pistols at that range. I'll ask next time! But I'm pretty sure I know the answer, since it's a state-run range.

On the flip side, this is good motivation for Trijicon to get off the dime and update their line. I'm pretty sure Trijicon could care less about amateur gun owners who love gadgets and gizmos.
Really? Trijicon markets plenty to the civilian sector. My first pistol optic was a Trijicon. But Holosun is going to eat them alive in the civilian sector. They're less money and have more user-friendly features. As an owner of both.... I have one Trijicon and two Holosuns. My next pistol optic will be another Holosun. And the one after that. And the one after that.
 
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Hmm, let me think. Here we have two ranges less than 1 hour away built and maintained by the State Wildlife Dept.
One is a 100yd. range in the National Forest that is unmanned. Pretty much whatever you want to do.
The other State range has a 300yd. rifle range, a 100 yd. rifle range, and a 50 yd. pistol range. It is manned by a Wildlife officer and has fixed hours of operation.

Also one hour away, in different directions are the two gun clubs I am a member of. One has a 400yd. rifle range and a 50 yd. pistol range, plus a "plinking range". Skeet, trap, 5 stand and sporting clay ranges round out the choices. Built on an abandoned granite quarry, it offers some unique presentations on the sporting clays course.

The other has a complex of ranges for different purposes so they can run matches without impacting the guy and his 12 year old that just wants to shoot a 22.
300yd. High Power range with electronic targets (electronic targets used for matches only)
A separate 100yd. GP range.
A training range for CWP classes and night use (it has floodlights)
3 GP 50 yd. pistol ranges.
Action pistol bays.
All the shotgun stuff mentioned above.

In the years I have been a member at both clubs the rules and regulations signs at the range have been amended as stupid people have been caught doing stupid things. Potential liability on the part of the club factors heavily in erring on the side of caution. Thankfully, we don't have overhead baffle boards yet. But if I wanted to shoot a pistol on the rifle range and try hit something at rifle distance, I could. No restriction on rapid fire or full auto. Just make sure ALL the bullets impact the back stop. So no targets mounted low to the ground or shooting at a can etc.

I am somewhat surprised that being the population in FL is predominately on the coasts, that there isn't more ranges and gun clubs in the non Everglades parts of the interior of the state.
 
I am somewhat surprised that being the population in FL is predominately on the coasts, that there isn't more ranges and gun clubs in the non Everglades parts of the interior of the state.
Those population centers tend to be VERY blue and VERY anti-gun. So, very few ranges. Only one public outdoor range in my county, and that came to be only a couple of years ago. Decades without one.

Getting to the interior part of the state is tedious (and a long drive).
 
Really? Trijicon markets plenty to the civilian sector. My first pistol optic was a Trijicon. But Holosun is going to eat them alive in the civilian sector. They're less money and have more user-friendly features. As an owner of both.... I have one Trijicon and two Holosuns. My next pistol optic will be another Holosun. And the one after that. And the one after that.
Trijicon had a lock on the night sights market, which in the past decade has become very crowded. But they are still top tier. Pros often stick with them and some OEMs include their night sights, but competition has cut into their civilian revenue stream in the night sight category. I presume they made a decision to not care and stick with high margin vs competing for the attention of civilian gun owners and low margin sales. Or they are just stupid. Which seems unlikely.

In the red dot world, it appears that Trijicon has adopted the Enzo Ferrari philosophy. When people asked for consumer features like a radio, Ferrari said, "The only music you need to hear is the sound of my beautiful engines". In short he was saying, "Go buy a Chevy. I don't care".

I don't think Trijicon gives a rip about Joe Newgunowner or citizen enthusiasts seeking a bargain. Those seeking features that are fun and interesting but unnecessary for those who can aim a pistol. Their inaction toward the flood of cheap red dot optics into the market seems to validate that. Or they have a death wish... which seems unlikely.

Once the armed conflict with China begins you may have a hard time finding one! :)

I have bunch of red dots and I like them all. I believe if you train with it, it can improve your accuracy. The key works are 'train with it" which 10% of gun owners do. With no sights at all I can outshoot any n00b on the planet who hasn't invested any time in learning to shoot a pistol well. Regardless of whatever red dots, lasers, or heat seeking ammo with face recognition cameras. They represent the majority.

My observation is all red dots do what they are supposed to do. All they need to do is be able to hold zero. Most do. Viridian, Vortex, Leupold, CT, Burris. I also have a Holosun 507 that came with a trade I made and it works fine. But so far, I see nothing spectacular about it. Shake awake, solar cells, multiple reticles... Sorry to seem churlish but I think this is all gadgetry nobody needs. But that's my opinion and many do not agree. To them I say, "Fine. Buy the Chevy. I don't care" :)
 
Hmm, let me think. Here we have two ranges less than 1 hour away built and maintained by the State Wildlife Dept.
One is a 100yd. range in the National Forest that is unmanned. Pretty much whatever you want to do.
The other State range has a 300yd. rifle range, a 100 yd. rifle range, and a 50 yd. pistol range. It is manned by a Wildlife officer and has fixed hours of operation.

Also one hour away, in different directions are the two gun clubs I am a member of. One has a 400yd. rifle range and a 50 yd. pistol range, plus a "plinking range". Skeet, trap, 5 stand and sporting clay ranges round out the choices. Built on an abandoned granite quarry, it offers some unique presentations on the sporting clays course.

The other has a complex of ranges for different purposes so they can run matches without impacting the guy and his 12 year old that just wants to shoot a 22.
300yd. High Power range with electronic targets (electronic targets used for matches only)
A separate 100yd. GP range.
A training range for CWP classes and night use (it has floodlights)
3 GP 50 yd. pistol ranges.
Action pistol bays.
All the shotgun stuff mentioned above.

In the years I have been a member at both clubs the rules and regulations signs at the range have been amended as stupid people have been caught doing stupid things. Potential liability on the part of the club factors heavily in erring on the side of caution. Thankfully, we don't have overhead baffle boards yet. But if I wanted to shoot a pistol on the rifle range and try hit something at rifle distance, I could. No restriction on rapid fire or full auto. Just make sure ALL the bullets impact the back stop. So no targets mounted low to the ground or shooting at a can etc.

I am somewhat surprised that being the population in FL is predominately on the coasts, that there isn't more ranges and gun clubs in the non Everglades parts of the interior of the state.
What you said. And Race88 too. The majority of ranges are indoor and 50 yards max. It seems that outdoor ranges are shrinking in numbers. Anything longer than 100 yards is rare. Bench rest shooters have been bitching about the disappearing long rifle ranges for quite some time.

I have one public club near me that is 100 yds, but like Racer said, they dont want pistol shooters on that part of the range. There's a reason for that. 100 yards is beyond the normal operating range and design of a pistol. I can ring steel with a pistol at 100 yards. It's fun to try but it makes no practical sense. You should use a carbine or rifle at that distance. Stating the obvious, this is why:
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In the red dot world, it appears that Trijicon has adopted the Enzo Ferrari philosophy. When people asked for consumer features like a radio, Ferrari said, "The only music you need to hear is the sound of my beautiful engines". In short he was saying, "Go buy a Chevy. I don't care".
Enzo is dead, and Ferraris all have ALL the creature comforts now, except the Challenge Stradale versions.

That said, my Subaru STI had an awesome exhaust note (cats removed and turbo-back aftermarket exhaust on a Boxer engine).... and NO radio. The car didn't come with a radio, and it was not an option from the factory.

I don't think Trijicon gives a rip about Joe Newgunowner or citizen enthusiasts seeking a bargain.
I disagree with the conflation of "citizen enthusiasts" and "seeking a bargain." There are PLENTY of us who want the best and are not seeking a bargain. That's why my first pistol optic was the Trijicon, which cost more than a factory Glock - $574!!

But, yeah... I don't believe Trijicon - or ANY other firearms related manufacturer - can (or even wants to) depend entirely on military contracts.

Those seeking features that are fun and interesting but unnecessary for those who can aim a pistol. Their inaction toward the flood of cheap red dot optics into the market seems to validate that. Or they have a death wish... which seems unlikely.
Holosuns ain't THAT cheap. $340 for mine. It's better than my Trijicon in many ways. The first is visibility. The Holosun has a bigger window AND lacks the strong tint of the Trijicon glass. It's MUCH easier to see the target clearly through the Holosun.

Once the armed conflict with China begins you may have a hard time finding one!
True dat! Imagine what it would do to the more ordinary and sundry items we all buy and take for granted.

I have bunch of red dots and I like them all. I believe if you train with it, it can improve your accuracy. The key works are 'train with it" which 10% of gun owners do.
Yep, yep, yep. I'm getting better and better... and FASTER with the pistol optics. But I've put in the TIME and AMMO (repetition).

With no sights at all I can outshoot any n00b on the planet who hasn't invested any time in learning to shoot a pistol well. Regardless of whatever red dots, lasers, or heat seeking ammo with face recognition cameras. They represent the majority.
Same here. It always comes down to the FUNDAMENTALS. And very few put in the time and effort. Very few will spend even just a couple of sessions with an instructor. They've seen shooting on TV and believe such skills are inherent. But their results confirm their lack of fundamentals.

Today I watched a laser hold very steady on the bullseye. When the shot broke, the dot dove down and no bullet hole in the target. I watched about 5 consecutive shots with no holes in the paper. Then I went back to my own shooting.

My observation is all red dots do what they are supposed to do. All they need to do is be able to hold zero. Most do. Viridian, Vortex, Leupold, CT, Burris. I also have a Holosun 507 that came with a trade I made and it works fine. But so far, I see nothing spectacular about it. Shake awake, solar cells, multiple reticles... Sorry to seem churlish but I think this is all gadgetry nobody needs
Multiple reticles simply offer something for the differing preferences of shooters. I pick one reticle and never change it.

Shake awake is pretty cool. It extends the life of the battery. Considerably.

The solar cells are a bit of a gimmick. But I tested it without the battery. Outside in bright light, the solar cell will power the optic by itself. But in reality, the chances of me needing that are virtually nil.

Another smart feature of Holosun is the ability to change the battery without dismounting the optic.

I'll spend whatever I need to spend to get the best. Right now, the ONLY advantage of the Trijicon is its durability in terms of being able to take a beating. If I was in actual combat situations or routinely rolling around in the dirt and rocks... I'd stick with Trijicon.

But, since I am NOT rolling around on the ground, rappelling down walls or mountains, or busting down doors as part of my job..... I expect the Holosun will hold up just fine. Since my EDC is equipped with a Holosun, I can tell you I HAVE banged it into door jambs and other objects. It's taken some hits. And it's held up very well.

Right now... without any regard to costs... the Holosun beats the Trijicon, hands-down. And that's coming from someone who owns both. The best feature of the Holosun over the Trijicon is the visibility (of the target).
 
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I would put money on a blind test if it were possible to do that. Assemble a group of pistol shooters of mixed skills. Pros and newbies. Choose a range of the popular and not so popular red dots in the market today. Mount them to a popular handgun. Find a way to make sure nobody would know what brand optic they were given.

I'll bet not one of those test respondents shoots more accurately with one optic or the other. I say this because in my own experience, the brand of red dot has zero impact in terms of improving my accuracy. I have owned Leupold, Trijicon, CT, Shield, Hex, Sig, Vortex, Viridian and Burris red dots. They do vary in terms of battery life. But does this really matter? 15k hours vs 50k. One year is 8700 hours. Or top vs. bottom battery compartment. Who among us is that lazy or doesn't perform regular maintenance on their pistols? Among builders, my guess is no one other than the most casual gun owner who never shoots the gun or learns how to use it.

Ruggedness is another differentiator. Shock resistance, holding zero, temperature range, water resistance, quality of the glass and coatings... You get what you pay for in these categories.

Oh well. I'm not going to change anybody's mind on this. In my opinion, Holosun's greatest achievement is very effective marketing.
 
I would put money on a blind test if it were possible to do that. Assemble a group of pistol shooters of mixed skills. Pros and newbies. Choose a range of the popular and not so popular red dots in the market today. Mount them to a popular handgun. Find a way to make sure nobody would know what brand optic they were given.

I'll bet not one of those test respondents shoots more accurately with one optic or the other. I say this because in my own experience, the brand of red dot has zero impact in terms of improving my accuracy. I have owned Leupold, Trijicon, CT, Shield, Hex, Sig, Vortex, Viridian and Burris red dots. They do vary in terms of battery life. But does this really matter? 15k hours vs 50k. One year is 8700 hours. Or top vs. bottom battery compartment. Who among us is that lazy or doesn't perform regular maintenance on their pistols? Among builders, my guess is no one other than the most casual gun owner who never shoots the gun or learns how to use it.

Ruggedness is another differentiator. Shock resistance, holding zero, temperature range, water resistance, quality of the glass and coatings... You get what you pay for in these categories.

Oh well. I'm not going to change anybody's mind on this. In my opinion, Holosun's greatest achievement is very effective marketing.
I have no problem taking my guns apart. But there are a lot of people who take their guns to a gunsmith for cleaning, changing sights, etc. So, being able to change a battery without dismounting the sight is definitely a plus. A big plus for the average gun owner.

So far, my Holosuns have held zero after thousands of rounds... 6,131 cumulatively for both Holosuns (3,390 rounds for the Trijicon).... and being banged around a bit due to my tendency to walk fast through doorways and around corners. :)

While my accuracy (in slow fire) wouldn't be affected from one to another brand... No doubt that visibility is better through the Holosun than the Trijicon. Big difference. That theoretically could affect my speed.... sight picture acquisition.... even if by only a fraction of a second. I should do a side-by-side photo infographic comparing the two.

I have no dog in the fight. I stand to gain nothing by advocating for one over the other. I'm not sponsored, and I don't get any cut of the $$$. I can only compare Holosun to Trijicon. I've not bought any other brand. But, in my experience, Holosun beats Trijicon in nearly every category. SO FAR! That could change!
 
Enzo is dead, and Ferraris all have ALL the creature comforts now, except the Challenge Stradale versions.
Most sound system are dealer/aftermarket installed. Most Ferraris ship to the dealer with a blanking plate. But I concede there is a hole there waiting for Justin Bieber and the like to fill with a $12k Alpine system when he writes the check. Me... I want to hear that engine. I can listen to music in a Chevy. :) I always wanted a Shaggin' Wagon with a four way stereo, a waterbed, and shag carpet but by the time I was old enough they were out of fashion.

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I always wanted a Shaggin' Wagon with a four way stereo, a waterbed, and shag carpet but by the time I was old enough they were out of fashion.

Are you SURE they're out of fashion? Do it! :)
 
I always wanted a Shaggin' Wagon with a four way stereo, a waterbed, and shag carpet but by the time I was old enough they were out of fashion.
Getcha one of these. Head to Asheville. You'll be able to score with both the Goth and Hippie chicks. ;)

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For me, if I have a RDS and it’s not using an adapter plate, I see no need for removal of the RDS from the slide for maintenance as long as your mounting screws are tight; thus I too, prefer a side or top load battery in the RDS. No different than not removing a mounted and zeroed scope on either a bolt action, or say, a 10/22. Once my sporterized military Mausers were zeroed, those scopes were never moved, unless absolutely necessary, so as to not change the POI. For me, I’d rather not have to remove the RDS to change the battery. My preference. Ymmv.
 
"I'VE GOTTA GET ME ONE OF THESE!!!" My wife REALLY likes it. Of course, she'd want her very own. lol
 
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