PSA is kinda pissing me off with the Micro Dagger
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PS: I got one... 
$116 + $25 FFL fee = $141 in my hands. Looking at my math in an earlier post, this number works because the two mags are included.
Which leaves the issue of a slide. A base RMSc-compatible red-dot slide from PSA is $265 shipped. So that is a $406 for a new "43x-ish" with two mags.
Going over to GB and looking at some "gunbuster" auctions that ended tonight , non-RDS Glock 48 slides went for $221-232 , a 43 slide went for $220 and a 48 red-dot compatible went for $282! (before 6.5% sales tax + $14 S/H)
Fourth-of-July is right around the corner so maybe PSA will have a Micro slide deal or two...
$116 + $25 FFL fee = $141 in my hands. Looking at my math in an earlier post, this number works because the two mags are included.Which leaves the issue of a slide. A base RMSc-compatible red-dot slide from PSA is $265 shipped. So that is a $406 for a new "43x-ish" with two mags.
Going over to GB and looking at some "gunbuster" auctions that ended tonight , non-RDS Glock 48 slides went for $221-232 , a 43 slide went for $220 and a 48 red-dot compatible went for $282!
(before 6.5% sales tax + $14 S/H)Fourth-of-July is right around the corner so maybe PSA will have a Micro slide deal or two...
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What is the rule for background checks being flagged? I think it is two isn't it? Two frames bought at a single time requires the FFL to report the sale of the purchases.
But what if you buy a group of FFL lowers over months? I merely want some build projects to practice some custom painting and stuff. With 80% frames, you don't have to worry about buying a few frames just to test shit out when they are on sale. Even if you don't build all the frames, it gives you options for the look and feel if you change your mind.
This is the major part of buying FFL Frames that's a PITA. It puts you on the "criminal" suspect list for no cause just because you want to customize some shit in your garage. Total bullshit.
Anyway, if anyone knows the red flag limit for buying over a six month or year period, please chime in. Ideally with links if you know where they are. Cheers.
But what if you buy a group of FFL lowers over months? I merely want some build projects to practice some custom painting and stuff. With 80% frames, you don't have to worry about buying a few frames just to test shit out when they are on sale. Even if you don't build all the frames, it gives you options for the look and feel if you change your mind.
This is the major part of buying FFL Frames that's a PITA. It puts you on the "criminal" suspect list for no cause just because you want to customize some shit in your garage. Total bullshit.
Anyway, if anyone knows the red flag limit for buying over a six month or year period, please chime in. Ideally with links if you know where they are. Cheers.
I don't know if you meant to post in THIS thread but I'll try to answer your question with the info pertaining to MY Gunshine State, Florida.
Back in July, 2023, I bought 2 pistol frames and an AR lower from PSA. Conveniently and coincidentally, at the same time I (my FFL) received a "warranty" frame from Lone Wolf. So he charged me $10 per transfer, actually less but I gave him a "tip". He normally gets $25 for 1 transfer plus $5 for any and all additionals. Concerned about the bunch of transfers and how that would affect things, I wondered if we would have to submit this multi-purchase form below (f5300.9a). His answer was "yes" but it just gets attached to the 4473 and the ATF will not receive it until he goes out of business. I think there also might be a date to send in "old" 4473s like 10yrs or something.
But multi-purchases are further regulated by state law and in FL there is no requirement for recording or reporting such. BGCs are done through the FDLE who I believe use their own database and also NICS.
BUT, a decent FFL will use discretion and is entirely within his/her realm to deny a transfer to someone who they "get a bad feeling about". Since I'm a such wonderful person, my FFL had no such qualms...
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Thank you for the detailed answer. One of the better ones I've read about multiple purchase scenarios in this forum. I will look at my state's laws and do some more research.I don't know if you meant to post in THIS thread but I'll try to answer your question with the info pertaining to MY Gunshine State, Florida.
Back in July, 2023, I bought 2 pistol frames and an AR lower from PSA. Conveniently and coincidentally, at the same time I (my FFL) received a "warranty" frame from Lone Wolf. So he charged me $10 per transfer, actually less but I gave him a "tip". He normally gets $25 for 1 transfer plus $5 for any and all additionals. Concerned about the bunch of transfers and how that would affect things, I wondered if we would have to submit this multi-purchase form below (f5300.9a). His answer was "yes" but it just gets attached to the 4473 and the ATF will not receive it until he goes out of business. I think there also might be a date to send in "old" 4473s like 10yrs or something.
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But multi-purchases are further regulated by state law and in FL there is no requirement for recording or reporting such. BGCs are done through the FDLE who I believe use their own database and also NICS.
BUT, a decent FFL will use discretion and is entirely within his/her realm to deny a transfer to someone who they "get a bad feeling about". Since I'm a such wonderful person, my FFL had no such qualms...
With respect to BCG's and using your state's Florida Departmen of Law Enforcement, do they keep track of Bolt Carrier Group sales there? I didn't know that BCG's required any record keeping. Everywhere I see them sold, they send directly to an address and not an FFL, or have I misunderstood your acronym?
And finally, I did post in this thread intentionally and meant to quote your post below down there but clickced the wrong button.
I posted here rather than another thread because I will probably buy a PSA lower again the next time they go on sale. (After I do some research). I may also consider the SCT frames as it's highly unlikely Strike 80 will strike up their molds again. Thanks again for the reply.
Yes, you have:
BGC=Back Ground Check, BCG=Bolt Carrier Group
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FWIW, I purchased two Anderson serialized lowers at the same time, and was approved of my 4473 in about 10 minutes. No muss, no fuss and home I went with them.
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@Bobster & @One Ping Only
I did a little digging because what you guys were telling me about my question didn't make a whole lot of sense based on how I understood the laws and regulations. So, perhaps you guys misunderstood my message. I was not asking how a 4473 is processed, although the second part B form is of interest because I have never purchased two at once and didn't know about part "b" of form 4473.
However, I was asking about the federal law that requires FFL's to report two or more pistol purchases from a customer and that is done on an entirely different form. At least that's my understanding. Perhaps the form that @Bobster attached in his message supersedes this other form, but it doesn't appear that it does on the AFT website.
The separate form is 3310.4. I didn't want to link to a form on the AFT website from this forum, so I've attached it below. You can also find the requirements for sending this form to ATF and local law enforcement at the following link and download it yourself.
www.atf.gov
Further, this form requires certain states to report multiple rifle sales:
In 2011, ATF was authorized to enforce multiple firearms sales for certain types of rifles from FFLs in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas.
FFLs in these states must report the following types of rifles:
I don't have the video links anymore, but AFT agents have made private visits to citizens who have purchased multiple firearms to see if they still owned them. They arrive without notice and try to get permission from the owner to allow the AFT agentts entry to their home to confirm they still own them. They have done this without warrants and there have been several videos about this over the past year or two.
Take a peek at the form below and the link above. Bobster, I think your sale was reported, it just didn't raise a red flag.
And One Ping, if the lowers you purchased were semi automatic or accepted a detachable magazine, and you bought them from any of the states listed above, your sale was probably reported too.
All of this is a big royal PITA if you want to buy a few lowers to customize with paint. You would have to separate the purchases over time so you're not harassed for a hobby. And this is why I brought all this up in this thread because when sales happen, you can only buy one, or you're on the list. And yep, they keep a list.
Cheers.
I did a little digging because what you guys were telling me about my question didn't make a whole lot of sense based on how I understood the laws and regulations. So, perhaps you guys misunderstood my message. I was not asking how a 4473 is processed, although the second part B form is of interest because I have never purchased two at once and didn't know about part "b" of form 4473.
However, I was asking about the federal law that requires FFL's to report two or more pistol purchases from a customer and that is done on an entirely different form. At least that's my understanding. Perhaps the form that @Bobster attached in his message supersedes this other form, but it doesn't appear that it does on the AFT website.
The separate form is 3310.4. I didn't want to link to a form on the AFT website from this forum, so I've attached it below. You can also find the requirements for sending this form to ATF and local law enforcement at the following link and download it yourself.
Reporting Multiple Firearms Sales | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
The Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968 requires federal firearms licensees (FFLs) to send a report to ATF when there is a sale of multiple firearms to the same purchaser within a certain time period. ATF uses the information gathered from multiple sales transactions to investigate possible firearms...
Further, this form requires certain states to report multiple rifle sales:
In 2011, ATF was authorized to enforce multiple firearms sales for certain types of rifles from FFLs in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas.
FFLs in these states must report the following types of rifles:
- Semiautomatic rifles
- Rifles with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223 or 5.56 mm)
- Rifles with the ability to accept detachable magazines
I don't have the video links anymore, but AFT agents have made private visits to citizens who have purchased multiple firearms to see if they still owned them. They arrive without notice and try to get permission from the owner to allow the AFT agentts entry to their home to confirm they still own them. They have done this without warrants and there have been several videos about this over the past year or two.
Take a peek at the form below and the link above. Bobster, I think your sale was reported, it just didn't raise a red flag.
And One Ping, if the lowers you purchased were semi automatic or accepted a detachable magazine, and you bought them from any of the states listed above, your sale was probably reported too.
All of this is a big royal PITA if you want to buy a few lowers to customize with paint. You would have to separate the purchases over time so you're not harassed for a hobby. And this is why I brought all this up in this thread because when sales happen, you can only buy one, or you're on the list. And yep, they keep a list.
Cheers.
I'm not doubting the info you present Pat, but I think you're looking for a leak in the bucket when there is none. My FFL is an active-duty LEO so I don't think he would jeopardize his FFL (AND career) over reporting requirements. Maybe with your lowers, they are considered a "rifle" and fall under the "Mexico is an asshole so let's penalize the US border states" Law? What state do you live in?
PS: I almost bought a bare lower at the same time as the Micro frame but decided it was time to start machining the 80s that I already have...
PS: I almost bought a bare lower at the same time as the Micro frame but decided it was time to start machining the 80s that I already have...
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No worries man. Don't sweat it. If I have multiple purchases, I will just split them up and I believe you with your situation. Sorry for the hijack.
I think you should push the envelope and see how many you can purchase at one time and get away with it!
But I wouldn't inconvenience myself splitting up multiples. I believe the best thing you could do is talk to your FFL about it... You can hijack my threads all you want as long as you land the plane at my destination...