Ruger 10mm carbine - takes Glock mags.

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For those times when you want to make big holes in a bad guy who is a little too far away for a pistol. The drop on a 10mm round at 100 yards is substantially less than 9mm.


Not a bad price.
 
I was thinking about one in 45acp. I don’t do 10 or 5.7 and am not looking to add new calibers. But then I read the triggers are not so good.
 
I was thinking about one in 45acp. I don’t do 10 or 5.7 and am not looking to add new calibers. But then I read the triggers are not so good.
How good does the trigger need to be on a PCC? Intermediate range carbine... I'm not that picky about the trigger.

There are aftermarket upgrades for the Ruger LC. MCarbo claims a 30% improvement in trigger pull. Ive found most f their stuff to be decent quality. I've gone full Monte with MCarbo on my Sub 2000's. Made them much better than factory.
 
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How good does the trigger need to be on a PCC? Intermediate range carbine... I'm not that picky about the trigger.

There are aftermarket upgrades for the Ruger LC. MCarbo claims a 30% improvement in trigger pull. Ive found most f their stuff to be decent quality. I've gone full Monte with MCarbo on my Sub 2000's. Made them much better than factory.
I didn’t even look into the aftermarket. I might have to reconsider.

Been thinking of a “truck gun” as of late. Probably gonna stick with a pistol caliber though. Was tinkering with the idea of the Ruger PC then saw the LC. Then I could always get a LawTactical folder for one of my AR’s. Either the 5.56 or 9mm. Then there’s the Sub2000 but Kel Tec has soured me a little. My buddy’s PMR has broken 2 firing pins. I decision is killing me.
 
I have always been fascinated by the appeal of a PCC.
On the one hand, it makes for cheaper shooting if one chooses 9mm.
But in 10mm the ammo price advantage begins to evaporate.

On the other hand, from a performance standpoint, if you are going to have a weapon that is the size of a carbine, would you not want it to have the power of a carbine instead of a pistol? (I am excluding SBR's from the conversation)

So I guess this boils down to, do you want it for a range toy, or for hunting/defense? And yes, I know the 9mm PCC could be used for defense, but does it serve a purpose not better filled by a pistol?

Thoughts?
 
I didn’t even look into the aftermarket. I might have to reconsider.

Been thinking of a “truck gun” as of late. Probably gonna stick with a pistol caliber though. Was tinkering with the idea of the Ruger PC then saw the LC. Then I could always get a LawTactical folder for one of my AR’s. Either the 5.56 or 9mm. Then there’s the Sub2000 but Kel Tec has soured me a little. My buddy’s PMR has broken 2 firing pins. I decision is killing me.
I MCARBOnized my Sub 2000s and they have performed well. I've put a lot of rounds thru them. They get the job dne but there are better PCCs. I liked them because they are folders. They are extremely simple internally. My first one was a 40 and I literally wore it out.

The Pivot is pure awesome. All metal. Worth a look if you want a folder PCC that fits in a small pack.

And the Ruger of course.

Given any thought to a sub gun? The MP5 clones by Century and MAC are pretty good. Price is reasonable compared to a genuine HK. You might also consider the Stribog. It's outstanding. The most affordable roller delayed sub gun out there and the aftermarket is good. They come in 10mm and 9mm.
 
I MCARBOnized my Sub 2000s and they have performed well. I've put a lot of rounds thru them. They get the job dne but there are better PCCs. I liked them because they are folders. They are extremely simple internally. My first one was a 40 and I literally wore it out.

The Pivot is pure awesome. All metal. Worth a look if you want a folder PCC that fits in a small pack.

And the Ruger of course.

Given any thought to a sub gun? The MP5 clones by Century and MAC are pretty good. Price is reasonable compared to a genuine HK. You might also consider the Stribog. It's outstanding. The most affordable roller delayed sub gun out there and the aftermarket is good. They come in 10mm and 9mm.
I have been toying with the idea of an HK clone. Ideally I’d like the real thing, but at 3k oof! I kind of glanced at Stribog, but didn’t really consider it. Maybe I’ll look further into them. You know, this ain’t helping my indecisive self. 🤣🤔🤪🤣
 
I have always been fascinated by the appeal of a PCC.
On the one hand, it makes for cheaper shooting if one chooses 9mm.
But in 10mm the ammo price advantage begins to evaporate.

On the other hand, from a performance standpoint, if you are going to have a weapon that is the size of a carbine, would you not want it to have the power of a carbine instead of a pistol? (I am excluding SBR's from the conversation)

So I guess this boils down to, do you want it for a range toy, or for hunting/defense? And yes, I know the 9mm PCC could be used for defense, but does it serve a purpose not better filled by a pistol?

Thoughts?
See above response to @Notshawn54. I'll further wax on the most common use of a PCC - which is home defense.

The short answer is... I dont think a PCC has any other benefit than home defense. I dont consider a RCP a good option for home defense. As a range toy, I think you would get bored with an RCP quick. I know I sure did. Because it really doesn't have a useful purpose. I don't see the point of a rifle round in short barrel. Indoors, a rifle round is going to over penetrate every time. Potentially leaving the building like Elvis and thru a neighbor's window.

Home defense... tough call on whether a pistol or PCC is best. Depends on the situation and a persons training. When Sandy trashed NY, there were looters who traveled in gangs. In that scenario, I'd go with the PCC. More than one person, they are potentially armed. Best to neutralize them at a safe distance. That's easier to do with a carbine. The PCC shines when you are outside, defending your property at relatively close range. If I wanted more range and power than a 9mm can deliver I'd lean toward a 10mm PCC.

Inside the home, something goes bump in the night? My planned response is to grab the Shockwave and strap on a pistol. After putting a couple of 12 ga shells into a home invader, in the very unlikely event he doesn't surrender, I may shoot him in the head with the pistol. I don't think there is a better home defense weapon than the shortie shottie. If the bad guy is a Kung Fu master and somehow grabs the shottie from you, you let go, draw and put two rounds in his chest with the pistol. Game over.

The challenge with any long gun (Carbine/PCC) in home defense is that you have narrow hallways and a lot of corners. Very few people have close quarters training, are operating in the dark, and most are not physically prepared or able to endure a fight with a murderous crackhead or other miscreant who means you harm. A short PCC offers a similar benefit to the Shockwave in terms of being able to swing it around in tight spaces. But the Shockwave has the edge in that you aren't going to miss or fail to hit something vital. That could happen with a PCC. Same goes for a pistol. Under duress and in the dark, it's easy to miss if you aren't a pro who has done this before.

What usually makes perpetrator give up is pain and rapidly bleeding out. A 12 or even 20 ga shot shell with 00 buck or one of the fancy defensive shells produce a devastating wound at close range. In the chest or gut, he hits the floor and doesn't get up. Hit a limb and it will very likely sever an artery and physically disable him. Two shells, it's lights out. No chance of further response. This is not always the case with a pistol round regardless of the type of weapon. Everybody has read the stories about a cop or defender dumping a mag into a bad guy and they keep charging. Good shot placement is very tough under duress. At three to five yards a typical shotgun pattern is about 6 inches. At 10 yards it's 8 and at 15 it's 12 inches. You literally cant miss with a Shockwave unless you are woefully unpracticed.
 
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To further illustrate:

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On the left we have a 9mm hollow point bullet.
In the foreground, nine 00 buck pellets.

Each make about the same size hole. Except with a shotgun shell, you are sending between 8 or as many as 12 projectiles into a bad guy in just one shot. Which method is likely to stop a home invader? Nine holes or just one? Take a guess. Make that 18 holes in the bad guy if you fire a second round.

A home invasion is a bad time to test your marksmanship under pressure. The objective is to neutralize the threat before he harms you or yours.
 
Direct blow back vs delayed blow back- its not even fair.
Especially when pushing 10mm or other +P ammo.
Id love a HK in 10mm.
Marlin Camp Carbines 9 & 45, Mac10,9, MPA 930, mini Uzi, AT 9, PCC ARs.
Sites Specter 9,40 & 45. They get close with the double block bolt design but still lacking.
My Calicos are awesome and the HK & clones.
Saw a conversion for 30 carbine Ive always wanted to try.
 
Direct blow back vs delayed blow back- its not even fair.
Especially when pushing 10mm or other +P ammo.
Id love a HK in 10mm.
Marlin Camp Carbines 9 & 45, Mac10,9, MPA 930, mini Uzi, AT 9, PCC ARs.
Sites Specter 9,40 & 45. They get close with the double block bolt design but still lacking.
My Calicos are awesome and the HK & clones.
Saw a conversion for 30 carbine Ive always wanted to try.
Check out the Stribog in 10mm. It's not a HK clone but they did implement their own roller delayed action. You cant beat the price. I have shot the Hell out of the 9mm and keeps on ticking. When I first got it I took it out in the back yard and ran it until you could fry and an egg and bacon on it. I don't buy crappy no name ammo but it handled everything I put in it. Even some steel cased Winchester that I wished I hadn't bought.

I let a range buddy shoot it. He liked it so much he bought the 10mm. He invited me to put a 20 rd mag thru it the next time I saw him and it ran like a champ. The recoil was very manageable. I have been meaning to add the 10mm to my stable. Just haven't gotten around to it.
 
I had looked at the Sig copperhead??? Had high hopes theyd come out with a 10mm.
 
Some buddys are getting into Bear season and Ive seen some big cats on camera. Thinkin 10mm would do just fine. Stribog looks interesting.
 
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