My Xmas present to me

[Bongo Lewi]

It's 22 WMR. I gave a 22LR to my wife.

I was very cynical about these being a POS novelty until I had a chance to try one out.. The Lifecard is well made and incredibly easy to carry. There's always a round in the pipe and storage for two more. Obviously this is a one and done affair. It's easy and reasonably fast to unfold and shoot. No holster needed.

 

[Hvymax]

Sucks that I can't get one in Maryland. Completely superfluous in my carry rotation but I don't have one which bothers me. Of course I have a Bond Arms 357sig that hurls Lehigh's at 2,100fps.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

The polymer grip version is a bit lighter and seems sturdy enough but I prefer metal. You could literally take this out of your pocket and put it on a table (folded of course) and most people would not know what it is. The multi-color ones are even more baffling to non-gun owner types.

@Hvymax Derringers and micro revolvers just never grew on me. I tried them but no joy. I find derringers too heavy and bulky for the limited payload they deliver. I consider micro revolvers a negligent discharge waiting to happen. Parking the hammer in-between rounds on the cylinder? No thanks. I know that some swear by them. It's a preference I guess. Like how I would eat a pile of shit before eating meatloaf. I can't even stand the smell of it cooking.

The cylinder on a North American Arms mini revolver I once owned flew off the gun when I fired it. The cylinder pin was in some way defective. They sent me a new part and it worked fine after that, but there's no way I would ever consider it dependable. It went in the safe and stayed there as a novelty gun that's cool to look at but I'd never carry. Same goes for the Bond. A well made gun. It never failed or had any sort of problem. It's just too bulky for being limited to two rounds.

In the novelty category, I have a Heizer single shot 5.56. Also a 45 and a 9mm Double Tap, which like the Heizer are essentially space-age interpretation two shot Derringers. I dont think either are made anymore and for good reason. They are reasonably reliable but totally suck from an ergonomic perspective.

In the really small gun category, I think nothing beats Ruger and Beretta. Super reliable, easy to shoot. I'm especially fond of the Tomcat/Bobcat tilt barrels. Ruger LCP... nothing better in the plastic pocket gun realm. Although it pains me to utter the name Taurus, the TCP was an outstanding pocket gun. A range owner told me the TCP was the most durable, trouble free rental gun they ever offered. Good for 20k rounds. I had one until the mag latch wore out and when the barely English speaking Taurus support a-hole refused to sell me the part, I was not happy.

 

[Stephen G]

Gunna put yer eye out with that thing or give yerself a prince Albert lmao

I carry my NAA Black Widow everywhere. 1 of these will find its way home here 1day

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Gunna put yer eye out with that thing or give yerself a prince Albert lmao

I carry my NAA Black Widow everywhere. 1 of these will find its way home here 1day

A HS classmate of mine chose a life of non conformity and became a biker first and a welder second. He works when he feels like it. A real biker who is in a club (calling it a gang elicits a very negative response). He not one of those dentists who buys a Harley, wears the leather chaps on weekends, and ships his ride to Sturgis instead of riding it there. He's the real thing and never goes anywhere without one of those NAA mini revolvers in his boot.

 

[Hvymax]

The polymer grip version is a bit lighter and seems sturdy enough but I prefer metal. You could literally take this out of your pocket and put it on a table (folded of course) and most people would not know what it is. The multi-color ones are even more baffling to non-gun owner types.

@Hvymax Derringers and micro revolvers just never grew on me. I tried them but no joy. I find derringers too heavy and bulky for the limited payload they deliver. I consider micro revolvers a negligent discharge waiting to happen. Parking the hammer in-between rounds on the cylinder? No thanks. I know that some swear by them. It's a preference I guess. Like how I would eat a pile of shit before eating meatloaf. I can't even stand the smell of it cooking.

The cylinder on a North American Arms mini revolver I once owned flew off the gun when I fired it. The cylinder pin was in some way defective. They sent me a new part and it worked fine after that, but there's no way I would ever consider it dependable. It went in the safe and stayed there as a novelty gun that's cool to look at but I'd never carry. Same goes for the Bond. A well made gun. It never failed or had any sort of problem. It's just too bulky for being limited to two rounds.

In the novelty category, I have a Heizer single shot 5.56. Also a 45 and a 9mm Double Tap, which like the Heizer are essentially space-age interpretation two shot Derringers. I dont think either are made anymore and for good reason. They are reasonably reliable but totally suck from an ergonomic perspective.

In the really small gun category, I think nothing beats Ruger and Beretta. Super reliable, easy to shoot. I'm especially fond of the Tomcat/Bobcat tilt barrels. Ruger LCP... nothing better in the plastic pocket gun realm. Although it pains me to utter the name Taurus, the TCP was an outstanding pocket gun. A range owner told me the TCP was the most durable, trouble free rental gun they ever offered. Good for 20k rounds. I had one until the mag latch wore out and when the barely English speaking Taurus support a-hole refused to sell me the part, I was not happy.

Yeah I get things just because I don't have one most of the time anymore. My Bond Arms 357sig in a shoulder rig under a button up shirt is a force escalation from my 9mm.
View: https://youtu.be/19b_VzmcfTo?si=CvGspgGCcrAO0ROZ

 

[Hvymax]

A HS classmate of mine chose a life of non conformity and became a biker first and a welder second. He works when he feels like it. A real biker who is in a club (calling it a gang elicits a very negative response). He not one of those dentists who buys a Harley, wears the leather chaps on weekends, and ships his ride to Sturgis instead of riding it there. He's the real thing and never goes anywhere without one of those NAA mini revolvers in his boot.

The gun is just a distraction. It either deescalates the situation or it will cause them to twitch allowing him to hit them. Most people don't want an extra hole regardless. I would almost question it's ability to penetrate a good riding jacket.

 

[Hvymax]

The polymer grip version is a bit lighter and seems sturdy enough but I prefer metal. You could literally take this out of your pocket and put it on a table (folded of course) and most people would not know what it is. The multi-color ones are even more baffling to non-gun owner types.

@Hvymax Derringers and micro revolvers just never grew on me. I tried them but no joy. I find derringers too heavy and bulky for the limited payload they deliver. I consider micro revolvers a negligent discharge waiting to happen. Parking the hammer in-between rounds on the cylinder? No thanks. I know that some swear by them. It's a preference I guess. Like how I would eat a pile of shit before eating meatloaf. I can't even stand the smell of it cooking.

The cylinder on a North American Arms mini revolver I once owned flew off the gun when I fired it. The cylinder pin was in some way defective. They sent me a new part and it worked fine after that, but there's no way I would ever consider it dependable. It went in the safe and stayed there as a novelty gun that's cool to look at but I'd never carry. Same goes for the Bond. A well made gun. It never failed or had any sort of problem. It's just too bulky for being limited to two rounds.

In the novelty category, I have a Heizer single shot 5.56. Also a 45 and a 9mm Double Tap, which like the Heizer are essentially space-age interpretation two shot Derringers. I dont think either are made anymore and for good reason. They are reasonably reliable but totally suck from an ergonomic perspective.

In the really small gun category, I think nothing beats Ruger and Beretta. Super reliable, easy to shoot. I'm especially fond of the Tomcat/Bobcat tilt barrels. Ruger LCP... nothing better in the plastic pocket gun realm. Although it pains me to utter the name Taurus, the TCP was an outstanding pocket gun. A range owner told me the TCP was the most durable, trouble free rental gun they ever offered. Good for 20k rounds. I had one until the mag latch wore out and when the barely English speaking Taurus support a-hole refused to sell me the part, I was not happy.

My LCP was my EDC for well over a decade. Now that I'm getting older and have different priorities I've changed. My biggest fear is someone grabbing a Grandbaby and taking off. Power and absolute precision are what I need. My Max9 is capable of amazing speed and accuracy with ammo it likes. The other day I discovered that it really likes 90gr Lehigh's going 1,500fps!!! It didn't like the 68gr at all so it was a pleasant surprise. A quick adjustment of the dot and I'm in business!!! I have another standard barrel for the Dagger that I hope will do better.

 

[Alpa Chino]

The gun is just a distraction. It either deescalates the situation or it will cause them to twitch allowing him to hit them. Most people don't want an extra hole regardless. I would almost question it's ability to penetrate a good riding jacket.

I wonder about a boot holster or ankle for that matter.
You’re either going to get a boot to the face when reaching or you’re already on your back.
I mean it’s cool and all to carry a knife or gun in your boot I just wonder about the practicality.
Just me being ignorant.

 

[Hvymax]

I wonder about a boot holster or ankle for that matter.
You’re either going to get a boot to the face when reaching or you’re already on your back.
I mean it’s cool and all to carry a knife or gun in your boot I just wonder about the practicality.
Just me being ignorant.

Yeah most vests/cuts have a few pockets that would be way handier to me.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

A boot knife has some practicality. A gun... not so much if you ask me. I ankle carried for a while but the usefulness of a backup on your ankle is very limited. It works if you are sitting. On the ground while getting punched in the face or stabbed... not so much. Most LEOs and agencies have abandoned the use of ankle carry for a backup.

On the ground getting pummeled? If boots aren't your thing, carry an auto-open with a 3.5-4 inch blade and go for the armpit. Works every time. A zombie on crack cannot ignore that pain and the unfortunate perp will likely bleed out in five minutes.

For quite a while I commuted by rail and light rail. From the sitting (or perhaps driving) position, ankle carry can work. But you still need extra time and well coordinated motion to draw it. If you are being accosted, That's damn near impossible. You are better off with a pocket gun in a decent j-holster. Vedder and Alabama Holster make good pocket kydex "j" holsters that do a good job re: not printing. The Alabama has a convenient thumb tab to help break the retention. But the Vedder is bedder in terms of fit and finish.

 

[Alpa Chino]

Let’s face it, a weapon is only useful if it can be deployed.
From pointed sticks to nuclear weapons.
A firearm covers a lot of needs but there are hundreds of possible scenarios where carrying won’t do you any good.
I think that’s a point that’s lost on too many concealed carriers.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Let’s face it, a weapon is only useful if it can be deployed.
From pointed sticks to nuclear weapons.
A firearm covers a lot of needs but there are hundreds of possible scenarios where carrying won’t do you any good.
I think that’s a point that’s lost on too many concealed carriers.

Simply owning or even carrying a gun is a placebo for a lot of people. Without proper training you are likely to get killed if and when a life threatening situation arises. Or go to prison for an error in judgement. A gun is not a substitute for feelings of powerlessness or inadequacy.

 

[Hvymax]

Simply owning or even carrying a gun is a placebo for a lot of people. Without proper training you are likely to get killed if and when a life threatening situation arises. Or go to prison for an error in judgement. A gun is not a substitute for feelings of powerlessness or inadequacy.

I do find it immensely more reassuring now that I'm getting older and the parts that haven't been replaced have seen better days. Of course I still do practice. Just load development alone and reliability runs keep that covered. Almost all of my practice is at 25yds so I know what's realistic with my guns.

 

[Alpa Chino]

It's 22 WMR. I gave a 22LR to my wife.

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What made you go with the two different calibers.
These are bad breath distance, what about solid copper .22LR
More importantly where are these on sale?

 

[Bongo Lewi]

What made you go with the two different calibers.
These are bad breath distance, what about solid copper .22LR
More importantly where are these on sale?

I prefer the 22 magnum over 22LR. The 22LR for obvious reasons shoots a little softer. The wife gets the 22LR.

A few years ago I sold or traded most of my 22LR firearms. Except for a Savage rifle and my favorite - a 10/22 takedown with the Magpul backpacker stock. My small varmint shooters are 22 WMR. It shoots longer and flatter than 22 LR. I didn't want to accumulate a stash of ammo for both rimfire calibers. Pistol-wise I love the new M&P 22 WMR. 30 round mags. It's awesome. Doesn't feel cheap as so many rimfire semi-auto pistols do.

Does the magnum really matter in the up close and personal operating range of these micro-pistols? Probably not. On the other hand, the 22 WMR is a lot louder and is more likely to scare the shit out of any bystanders or friends of the bad guy. It will definitely penetrate better. 50% more velocity on average and close to double the muzzle energy over the typical 22LR. Of course, that means more recoil but I don't care. In my view, these guns are one shot skull ventilators.

I never see the Lifecard discounted. Unless you buy a blem direct from the manufacturer.

 

[bkbrno]

In a 2" barrel you only get about 50-75 more FPS. If it is anything like the North American revolver I shot the muzzle blast alone from 22WRM is impressive enough to make a bad guy think twice.