Is Polymer80 DIW (Dead in the Water)

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Racer88 said:
I have made no such claim. My observations come from various sources, including "low rent" Reddit. I've "been around." :)

But I can do simple math. When you add up the cost of even the cheapest components of a P80 build, you will be hard-pressed to build one cheaper than a factory Glock.

As I said.... a truly diligent and resourceful person can build one for slightly less than a factory new Glock. It CAN be done, but not easily or quickly (have to wait for sales). Add in the cost of even the minimal number of tools, of course, and you may be back over the cost of a factory Glock.

If someone is trying to be thrifty in acquiring his first decent quality gun, he'd be better off buying a used Glock.

And the person who is trying to acquire his first gun cheaply by building a P80 is likely to be VERY disappointed and disillusioned when the lack of mechanical skills, dearth of knowledge (of how the gun actually works - since it's his first ever), and poor dexterity results in a "cheap" gun that doesn't fucking work. And I've seen that PLENTY on groups like Reddit and GlockTalk.
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I agree with all of that. Other than your admirable humbleness about PGB. :)

I've observed the commentaries of quite a few who got into it and realized it's cheaper to simply buy a Glock. Some do. Then they put it back in the Tupperware and it sits in their closet until the day comes they sell it.
 
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FrankenGlock said:
You don't want to located in Nevada as it is not gun friendly. Tennessee or Missouri are the gun friendly states to locate and you can still live there relatively cheaply if you stay out of the big cities.
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Racer88 said:
But, yes... when the time is right, move to a friendlier state. Like Magpul did. Like Smith & Wesson did. Like Beretta did. Like Colt did. Take that tax revenue and the jobs to a state that supports the Constitution and is business-friendly.
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Yes, it was good to see companies move to escape tyranny. :) I think Ruger did that with Marlin, also. GTFOONY!

Racer88 said:
If history is any guide, they are done forever. You can escape creditors under bankruptcy law, but the well funded anti-gun cabal will follow you everywhere. They dont want their money back like a creditor. Figuratively speaking, they want you dead.
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But it IS possible for a creditor to go after the assets of corporation officers depending on the circumstance...

Bongo Lewi said:
Every maker of cheap guns has gone out of business. With a couple exceptions: HighPoint and SCCY. The government regulators, Bloomberg and his minions isn't trying to shut them down. Why?
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There are a LOT of cheap arms makers still in business although they also offer higher-priced arms. PSA, Taurus and KelTec come to mind...

Racer88 said:
When you add up the cost of even the cheapest components of a P80 build, you will be hard-pressed to build one cheaper than a factory Glock.
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My first PF940C came in at about $300 w/Pmag. Nothing fancy about it. Pull trigger it goes bang. I liked the idea of having a Glock-ish pistol for half-price with the added allure of not being serialized. Sure, the well-heeled can go buy boutique parts and double the price over a real Glock but this boy has flat feet... ;)
 
Bobster said:
My first PF940C came in at about $300 w/Pmag. Nothing fancy about it. Pull trigger it goes bang. I liked the idea of having a Glock-ish pistol for half-price with the added allure of not being serialized. Sure, the well-heeled can go buy boutique parts and double the price over a real Glock but this boy has flat feet... ;)
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Yes, I completely agree but I can get carried away on a JGVex/Ranger Proof trigger shoe, Timney, or GPT. Trigger feel, look, and function is very important to me.
 
Bobster said:
But it IS possible for a creditor to go after the assets of corporation officers depending on the circumstance...
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Not my quote... not sure how that happened.
 
Hopefully, after the favorable SCOTUS decision, these other 80% manufacturers can rise to the occasion and fill the void left by Polymer80.
 

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Most of my P80's were built in the mid to upper $200.00's.
Once I found out about the S&W options the cost went to
the low $100.00's with serialized and populated frames.

The last two were Combat Armory. They came in @ 194.47
with S&W SW40VE slides. This is due to the cost of Glock
LPK's doubling.
 
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serger said:
Most of my P80's were built in the mid to upper $200.00's.
Once I found out about the S&W options the cost went to
the low $100.00's with serialized and populated frames.

The last two were Combat Armory. They came in @ 194.47
with S&W SW40VE slides. This is due to the cost of Glock
LPK's doubling.
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You're saying you built an ENTIRE gun for $200???

Even just a cheap slide and barrel (no other parts) will hit $200 easy.
 
FrankenGlock said:
If you shop right or buy in bulk, $200 is completely doable.
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I'm saying "no way." I'll believe it when I see it... with an itemized list of all the parts, sources, and corresponding prices paid.

The lowest I've seen frames for is about $60. So, that leaves $140 for everything else. No way.
 
You can get some barrels for less than $25 if you buy in bulk to spread shipping, complete P80 lower from Delta Team Tactical for less than $50 and purchased in bulk in December to save shipping so let's say under $60 total, upper parts kit $25 purchased in bulk with metal RSA, slide $75, sights $5 or less if you go in bulk with polymer sights, and mags for less than $8 in bulk. Dvor.com and Ebay is a good source for certain parts. Good deal on a barrel. FM Products Ultra Premium Match Grade Threaded Barrel.
 
Racer88, check the conversation I started.
 
FrankenGlock said:
You can get some barrels for less than $25 if you buy in bulk
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Bulk $25 barrels?? Yikes. I think I'd pass on those, because I'd assume inferior quality of a rather "mission critical" part and related safety issues.

$50 for a built (parts included) PFC9 is an awesome deal! Holy crap... I paid $113 for mine! And that was WITHOUT parts!
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Of course, over the last 3 years, the 80% (and 100%) frame market was quite volatile with prices ranging from $50 - $200++. I guess my timing sucks! LOL!
 
I have bought blem barrels for $35.00. A little bit of tooling chatter on the flats.
 
Click the link I posted. Those are not bad barrels, and they are being sold on clearance.
 
"If you are very resourceful and patient, you can eventually acquire cheaper parts (on sale) to build a P80 for just SLIGHTLY less than a factory Glock. But most of the time, it will cost slightly more to a LOT more."

Yep. That's but one reason I'm done building. The only caveat is, if you build it from scratch, you can select the exact parts and features you want from the start. Nice, but it will cost you.
 
I bought the Dvor barrel. $33.31, I'm happy. Thanks FrankenGlock
 
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One Ping Only said:
The only caveat is, if you build it from scratch, you can select the exact parts and features you want from the start. Nice, but it will cost you.
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That's a big part of it for me... Creating something unique that cannot be purchased. I'm not doing it to save money over factory guns. I had plenty of factory guns before I went down this crazy building rabbit hole.
 
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