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[flowers9]

What evidence is that based on? How would this dude know who was giving information to the Ay Tee Eff? He has a mole inside the agency?

I call bullshit. Full stop.

After looking it up, I was somewhat incorrect. These companies, as apart of legal settlements, agreed to hand over customer information to "law enforcement agencies". So yeah, they gave over customer information when they should have agreed not to in their settlements

 

[flowers9]

Banks tracking individual's firearm related purchases? Yea sure. And human head transplants are about to become a thing.

Multiple states, including California, New York, and Colorado have all passed laws that require companies like Visa, Mastercard, and AmEx to enact SEPARATE merchant category codes for weapons and ammunition.

Dexter Taylor, the New York man that was arrested and sentenced to 10 years in Prison for making his own firearms, they found out he was doing such by tracking his online purchases. So yes, it is very real.

 

[Racer88]

Multiple states, including California, New York, and Colorado have all passed laws that require companies like Visa, Mastercard, and AmEx to enact SEPARATE merchant category codes for weapons and ammunition.

Dexter Taylor, the New York man that was arrested and sentenced to 10 years in Prison for making his own firearms, they found out he was doing such by tracking his online purchases. So yes, it is very real.

And several states have prohibited such a merchant code.

 

[flowers9]

And several states have prohibited such a merchant code.

Should be all states!

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Multiple states, including California, New York, and Colorado have all passed laws that require companies like Visa, Mastercard, and AmEx to enact SEPARATE merchant category codes for weapons and ammunition.

Dexter Taylor, the New York man that was arrested and sentenced to 10 years in Prison for making his own firearms, they found out he was doing such by tracking his online purchases. So yes, it is very real.

There are merchant codes for every category and those buckets are pretty big. Millions of guns and rounds of ammunition are sold every year. The law passed in CA separated firearms and ammo from basketballs and golf clubs (sporting goods). Quite a few states have blocked this firearm/ammo merchant code from being mandated. It's a big nothingburger.

Think of it this way. When you ship a firearm, you have to declare it to FedEx. FedEx has no idea what firearm is in the box. Just that it's a firearm. That's exactly how merchant codes work. I have shipped guns a hundred times. The Men in Black have never come to my door. Because I comply with the law whether I like it or not.

Merchant codes track where a consumer used a credit card, but don’t track what specific items were purchased. The new code, which hasn't been implemented everywhere and probably wont be, does not disclose what specific item was bought. Just that there was a firearm or ammunition transaction. Is this a good thing? No. Is it part of some crazy plot to track who is buying what? Also no.

Here's a lesson in the law: A judge signed a warrant for Dexter Taylor's actual credit card purchases to be searched, which were later entered into evidence. Merchant codes had nothing to do with the case. The Atee Eff discovered Taylor's gun building activity after serving a warrant to a reseller who was suspected of some wrongdoing. It was pure chance they found him. The vendor's books showed that Taylor bought an unusual number of parts. That suggested he might be making guns illegally. That's probable cause. He knew what he was doing was illegal in New York. If he lived in Texas, he would not have been charged. It's a classic Fuck Around and Find Out story. Even Taylor himself admits this is how he got busted. A big part of the law is intent. He knew what he was doing was illegal in his state. That's why he's in jail.

There are so many issues to be concerned about regarding gun control. Merchant codes are not that useful to gun grabbers. All it really does is identify that the merchant sells firearms instead of lumping it together with basketballs and camping gear. Visa and Mastercard of course will be able to determine how much is being spent on firearms using their card. But not what was bought. Some may not like that. Personally I dont give a shit. For those who wish to avoid this all together... use gift cards or cash to pay for guns and ammo. Problem solved.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I should have added one more closing remark: Don't do business with flaky vendors who're likely to draw the attention of the alphabet agencies. Those who think skirting around the law is a game. Established suppliers comply with the law and don't get raided.

I don't know if Yogi Berra ever said this, but if he didn't I will: "When you poke the bear you get the horns."

 

[Racer88]

Back when I made a purchase with Indie, I used a credit card. So they were taking credit cards back then. I wouldn't ever do business using Zelle or similar.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Zelle, Venmo, etc.. is tied directly to your bank. It conceals nothing. Any electronic transaction of any kind can be tracked. Those worried about it... use cash. Or Bitcoin if you are brave.

 

[Racer88]

Zelle, Venmo, etc.. is tied directly to your bank. It conceals nothing. Any electronic transaction of any kind can be tracked. Those worried about it... use cash. Or Bitcoin if you are brave.

The problem with any of those, is there is no consumer protection. Your money is gone, and HOPEFULLY you'll get your merch.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

The problem with any of those, is there is no consumer protection. Your money is gone, and HOPEFULLY you'll get your merch.

Exactly. I really dont know what to make of crypto. I bought three Bitcoin for $30 each in 2013. Just for grins. I sold them for $32,000 each in 2021. Seven years. Crazy. I have no clue why they appreciated. Or confidence that if I held them longer I could make more. It's basically gambling. It's also a red flag with the IRS. My tax guy told me to expect to be audited, but it didn't happen.

 

[bkbrno]

No one tracking method will out you but... Combine CC sales data, metadata from cell phones, social media posts and internet information. I bet in about 3 seconds, there is a clear picture of what, how much, where, make model and color of your firearms related purchases. That is the world we live in now.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

No one tracking method will out you but... Combine CC sales data, metadata from cell phones, social media posts and internet information. I bet in about 3 seconds, there is a clear picture of what, how much, where, make model and color of your firearms related purchases. That is the world we live in now.

It's true that what most people consider privacy went out the window a generation ago. No one has an inalienable right to privacy. Unfortunately. Commiefornia of all places does have a law that grants you the right to have your information deleted permanently. Go figure.

Even so, cops looking at your cc, banking, or cell phone records requires a warrant. That means you are declared a suspect. Other than what you post on social media. If it's posted public. If it isnt... warrant required.

A lot of people don't get how law enforcement or Fed agencies work. They don't randomly 'look up' what someone is doing. In nearly all circumstances they respond to a complaint, a rat, or a someone they discover is connected to an ongoing case. They dont have the staffing or budgets to investigate anything else. Law enforcement or some alphabet agency just showing up for no reason - especially with armed tactical teams - is utter bullshit. Never happens unless a judge has been convinced there's a threat to public safety and a strong possibility of criminal activity.

The public's understanding of law enforcement has been skewed by cop shows and fake CSI series for the past 20 years. A former prosecutor once told me this is a gigantic problem in terms of presenting evidence. Juries are mostly dumb shits and many of them think all that TV CSI fakery is real.

Sometimes, you can be declared a suspect in error. It happens. But even when they are wrong it doesnt happen without a warrant. That means a LE investigator spoke to a DA who in turn asked a judge to sign off on a warrant. Anybody who claims this process got skipped and they just drove up and kicked their door in is full of shit.

These stories get blown out of proportion on the web and by drama queens who blindly repeat what they hear or just make shit up because they hate the government. With all this new AI technology you cant believe what you see and hear online anymore. Everything looks real.

 

[Racer88]

A lot of people don't get how law enforcement or Fed agencies work. They don't randomly 'look up' what someone is doing. In nearly all circumstances they respond to a complaint, a rat, or a someone they discover is connected to an ongoing case. They dont have the staffing or budgets to investigate anything else.

Generally true. But buy a whole bunch of guns at once, and the alphabet boyz may show up at your house for a "knock and talk." I understand the suspicion is that you may be buying and selling. Nevertheless, simply buying several guns at once can trip the radar.

Law enforcement or some alphabet agency just showing up for no reason - especially with armed tactical teams - is utter bullshit. Never happens unless a judge has been convinced there's a threat to public safety and a strong possibility of criminal activity.

Well, there was the recent case of the Little Rock Airport director who got swatted and killed in the twilight early morning hours at his home. He was indeed suspected of illegal activity. But was he a danger to the public or law enforcement? Arguably, NO.

But, generally I think your post is accurate. They don't randomly chase down lawful peaceable citizens... LIKE ME! So far, so good!

 

[k3nny173]

I will say it again here, if you are onlline with a windows computer and/or you have a cell phone, you have no privacy.

Most VPNs do not offer privacy as you are thinking they might either. They hide some things, but only really helps you in certain cases (example, hides downloads from ISP)

Will also note, the online privacy issue is about to move to the next level of worse that not even Commiefornia laws will allow you to purge. Not joking here, with googles new 'fingerprinting' there isn't anything you can do other than unplug.

Bongo remember your thread about Optics Planet?
You seem to be leaning a little more to the side you know you don't have online privacy today. What optics planet does with recording sessions has been around for at least 10 years now, and I would assume every website backed by enough money to afford it is doing the same.

Amazon probably has your DNA by now (this line I am mostly joking, unless you did a 23 and me or some DNA test)

I just received a BF deal that was backordered at Optics Planet,was wondering what my ordering video looked like and if my hair looked good.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Generally true. But buy a whole bunch of guns at once, and the alphabet boyz may show up at your house for a "knock and talk." I understand the suspicion is that you may be buying and selling. Nevertheless, simply buying several guns at once can trip the radar.

I read a story about a guy that bought multiple handguns.... an SCCY in every color. It was 8-10... something like that. Why is anybody's guess.

If you buy more than one handgun, an additional form is required. The 3310 form is mandatory for two or more handguns purchased at the same time. The 3310 must be emailed or faxed directly to the Ateee Eff the same day as the purchase. Even if you are exempt from a NICS check. An additional copy goes to the local Sheriff. See: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/f...pistols-and-revolvers-atf-form-33104/download

Strangely this rule and the 3310 form does not apply to long guns. You can buy five ARs same day and not require a 3310 or any special reporting. Other than the normal 4473 of course. Go figure.

So... the guy that bought the bubblegum colored SCCY's: He gets a knock on the door from the Men in Black. They ask him to see the guns he purchased. He was suspected of making straw purchases because the SCCY is low cost and popular with gang bangers. He shows them the guns and they leave.

They did not have warrant. So legally, he did not have to show them anything. But if he had declined, you can bet they would have come back heavy with a tac team and a warrant.

 

[Racer88]

So... the guy that bought the bubblegum colored SCCY's: He gets a knock on the door from the Men in Black. They ask him to see the guns he purchased. He was suspected of making straw purchases because the SCCY is low cost and popular with gang bangers. He shows them the guns and they leave.

They did not have warrant. So legally, he did not have to show them anything. But if he had declined, you can bet they would have come back heavy with a tac team and a warrant.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PkcyttKCy2g


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1kOOv5yrzM

 

[Bongo Lewi]

The only way the local Atee Eff would be aware of any gun purchase would be the submittal of a 3310 Multiple handgun purchase. The 4473 does not go to the local Atee Eff. Also, NICS does not inform the local Atee Eff of a background check.

I agree that you never let any random LEO visit in the house without a warrant. For any reason. Not just firearm related. Local or federal.

Here's a tip for everyone: Don't make multiple handgun purchases.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

The only way the local Atee Eff would be aware of any gun purchase would be the submittal of a 3310 Multiple handgun purchase. The 4473 does not go to the local Atee Eff. Also, NICS does not inform the local Atee Eff of a background check.

I agree that you never let any random LEO visit in the house without a warrant. For any reason. Not just firearm related. Local or federal.

Here's a tip for everyone: Don't make multiple handgun purchases.

There is no law or amendment that says cops cannot knock on your door and ask you questions. That's not illegal search and seizure.

 

[Bobster]

But even when they are wrong it doesnt happen without a warrant. That means a LE investigator spoke to a DA who in turn asked a judge to sign off on a warrant. Anybody who claims this process got skipped and they just drove up and kicked their door in is full of shit.

Too many out there with delusions of grandeur... That said, I'm almost certain there's a satellite camera pointed at my backyard with pictures of me skinny-dipping soon to be released all over the web! And also pics of me burying things...

...With all this new AI technology you cant believe what you see and hear online anymore. Everything looks real.

This is the major problem IMO. Many people are not observant enough OR the least bit skeptical. (not to mention zero situational awareness) Even a tiny bit of skepticism will keep one from getting duped. Yes, some of these Ai pictures are quite realistic but there will always be something "off".

This is different than getting betrayed or lied to because that is personally deliberate. I can pickup tells when I'm being lied to and that is the quickest way to lose my trust. Someone lies to me they immediately are on my "piece of shit" list and that is hard to be removed from. I trust no one except maybe my kids because they know I'll call them out aggressively if they DO try to lie to me... Or punch them in the face! (jk)

 

[Racer88]

Here's a tip for everyone: Don't make multiple handgun purchases.

What if you make multiple single purchases within a short period of time?

There is no law or amendment that says cops cannot knock on your door and ask you questions. That's not illegal search and seizure.

Of course. They can ask you anything. They can even LEGALLY LIE to you (in their attempt to glean information from you). But there is no law that says you have to answer questions or even open your door to them (unless they have a warrant).

I'm almost certain there's a satellite camera pointed at my backyard with pictures of me skinny-dipping soon to be released all over the web! And also pics of me burying things...

Gosh, I hope not!