Hi, ho... SILVER!

Taking advantage of the expected turbulence that just transpired (the recent dip), I placed another order with SD Bullion yesterday. It's not going to get any cheaper IMHO, and is about to climb substantially. That little dip we just saw was an engineered dip to try and shake people out of their holdings. Hehehe... not going to happen here.
 
Metals are better suited to protect your assets from the ups and downs. A hedge against the inevitable, periodic recession. But long term you will always do better in the market.

Gold has been good in the 2000's. But anybody who thinks you cant lose on metals should look at this:

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Overall, since the early 1900's gold has consistently traveled upwards. But so have the stocks and bonds. It goes up, it goes down. Gold is up dramatically, because that's where the money is going. Buyers are bidding up the price. For now. If confidence in the markets shifts, which it always does, gold will drop. The trick is... knowing if you are buying at the right time. Which is impossible to guess. Pay 4000 an ounce for gold today.... it may be worth 3000 next year.
 
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Disclaimer: I am NOT an expert on any of this shit.

I see gold and silver "decoupling," as it were. Historically, they have both gone up and down together. Here's why I see silver forging its own path from here forward. (I could be wrong!)

  • Silver is coming under a HUGE increase in demand due to industrial applications (that gold simply doesn't have). Silver, being the most electrically and thermally conductive metal on the planet, is increasingly being used in electronics, computers / super-computers for "AI" and data centers, batteries, solar panels, etc.

  • Silver production cannot be ramped up like gold or other metals. Production is largely limited to what they can extract as BYPRODUCTS of other metal refining industries. Up to 80% of silver production comes as a byproduct of other industries. Only about 20% comes from dedicated silver mining operations.

    According to Grok, there are only 20 - 40 primary silver mines in the world:
    • This scarcity reflects geological realities: pure silver deposits are rarer than polymetallic ones, making byproduct production the norm. For context, total world silver mine output is around 820-830 million ounces annually, but primary sources contribute roughly 230-250 million ounces.
  • China, which produces 13% of the silver globally, declared silver as a "strategic material," and is limiting exportation of it starting January 1, 2026 (tomorrow!).

    More from Grok:
    • China produces only about 13% of global mined silver (second to Mexico).
    • However, China controls an estimated 60–70% of the world's refined silver supply/capacity. This dominance comes from its massive network of smelters and refineries, which process not just domestic mined silver but also imported concentrates/doré (semi-refined material) from other countries. Much of global silver starts as a byproduct of lead, zinc, or copper mining, and China's base-metal industry gives it a huge edge in recovering and refining that silver.
    • Because so much of the world's usable (refined) silver flows through Chinese facilities—and a large portion is historically exported—the new export licensing rules (effective Jan 1, 2026) can significantly disrupt global availability.
Gold has long been the "gold standard" (so to speak!) in precious metal investing. I think that's about to change. Silver is going to outperform gold in a very big way. Possibly. Or I could be totally wrong! :) Your mileage may vary!
 
Disclaimer: I am NOT an expert on any of this shit.

I see gold and silver "decoupling," as it were. Historically, they have both gone up and down together. Here's why I see silver forging its own path from here forward. (I could be wrong!)

  • Silver is coming under a HUGE increase in demand due to industrial applications (that gold simply doesn't have). Silver, being the most electrically and thermally conductive metal on the planet, is increasingly being used in electronics, computers / super-computers for "AI" and data centers, batteries, solar panels, etc.

  • Silver production cannot be ramped up like gold or other metals. Production is largely limited to what they can extract as BYPRODUCTS of other metal refining industries. Up to 80% of silver production comes as a byproduct of other industries. Only about 20% comes from dedicated silver mining operations.

    According to Grok, there are only 20 - 40 primary silver mines in the world:
    • This scarcity reflects geological realities: pure silver deposits are rarer than polymetallic ones, making byproduct production the norm. For context, total world silver mine output is around 820-830 million ounces annually, but primary sources contribute roughly 230-250 million ounces.
  • China, which produces 13% of the silver globally, declared silver as a "strategic material," and is limiting exportation of it starting January 1, 2026 (tomorrow!).

    More from Grok:
    • China produces only about 13% of global mined silver (second to Mexico).
    • However, China controls an estimated 60–70% of the world's refined silver supply/capacity. This dominance comes from its massive network of smelters and refineries, which process not just domestic mined silver but also imported concentrates/doré (semi-refined material) from other countries. Much of global silver starts as a byproduct of lead, zinc, or copper mining, and China's base-metal industry gives it a huge edge in recovering and refining that silver.
    • Because so much of the world's usable (refined) silver flows through Chinese facilities—and a large portion is historically exported—the new export licensing rules (effective Jan 1, 2026) can significantly disrupt global availability.
Gold has long been the "gold standard" (so to speak!) in precious metal investing. I think that's about to change. Silver is going to outperform gold in a very big way. Possibly. Or I could be totally wrong! :) Your mileage may vary!
I don't challenge the likely increase in silver. It's probably going to go up. And it's going to go down. The question is when. I agree silver is probably a good investment. As is gold. With stocks and bonds, it's best to go long. You never want to put all your money into something you need to sell because you suddenly need cash. Your need for cash may come at a time that is not opportune - when the overall market or the commodity you bought is down. You can make money on pork bellies too. :) It's best to be diversified and not have all your eggs in one basket as they say.

My father had a friend and colleague who in the late 70's was convinced the world was coming off the tracks. Sound familiar? He put all his money into gold. I mean like every cent he had. Thus the reason for posting the chart of 1980-1999. He was in his 50's at the time. Preparing for retirement, which was also contributing to his anxiety about his nest egg. He turns 65 and his gold is worth half what he paid for it. he was pushing 70 before it began to recover. Bad investment? Not really. Just bad timing. People who try to time the market and engage in a lot of buying and selling usually lose money. Those who like the thrill of all that are better off playing in the money market and trading currencies on FOREX. I've dabbled in that with a small amount of money. It's kind of fun when you get into it. You can make good money doing it too.
 
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I don't challenge the likely increase in silver. It's probably going to go up. And it's going to go down. The question is when. I agree silver is probably a good investment. As is gold. With stocks and bonds, it's best to go long. You never want to put money into something you need to sell because you suddenly need cash. Your need for cash may come at a time that is not opportune - when the overall market or the commodity you bought is down. You can make money on pork bellies too. :) It's best to be diversified and not have all your eggs in one basket as they say.

My father had a friend and colleague who in the late 70's was convinced the world was coming off the tracks. Sound familiar? He put all his money into gold. I mean like every cent he had. Thus the reason for posting the chart of 1980-1999. He was in his 50's at the time. Preparing for retirement, which was also contributing to his anxiety about his nest egg. He turns 65 and his gold is worth half what he paid for it. he was pushing 70 before it began to recover. Bad investment? Not really. Just bad timing. People who try to time the market and engage in a lot of buying and selling usually lose money. Those who like the thrill of all that are better off playing in the money market and trading currencies on FOREX. I've dabbled in that with a small amount of money. It's kind of fun when you get into it. You can make good money doing it too.
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It’s always wise and prudent to have your portfolio eggs diversified, which we do. My wife was just on the phone with her broker yesterday, exploring some future investment strategies. Having said that, paper is just that. PAPER. Hehe. So I do have far more long term confidence in precious metals.

Especially now. That days of these creeps keeping the silver value suppressed is about over….they are losing control and the spotlight is now shining on them and their “silver on paper” fraud…and it will obliterate them.

When you add that to the impossible to ignore fact of the shortage of silver not only in the markets, but for tech and manufacturing uses, and add to that the fact that NONE of that silver being used is retrievable for new-use, really amplifies its worth even more.

One of the guys I used to do some studio sessions and sang on a few of his products used to be into computers in the bay area- he’d shut down his operation but was still collecting old computers…for the simple reason of retrieving the gold in the circuit boards. That’s Gold.

You can’t do that with silver- batteries, solar panels, etc ….all these manufactured items with silver turns silver into a consumable element. Poof, gone.
Which adds to the deficit of silver availability.
 
Bank safety deposit boxes got robbed in Germany over the Christmas break. I think the boxes were only insured for $21,000 or something like that. Bank is closed and people are pissed... :( LINK
 
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A long history of volatility. Nice way to lose your ass if you get over enthusiastic about the future promise of silver prices. There is never a time in silver when there has been nothing but upside unless you hold it for decades. It pays no dividends or coupons like stocks and bonds. It's a commodity like orange juice, crude oil, and a lot of other things.

The electronics industry has been looking for alternatives to silver for a long time. For obvious reasons. Supply and cost. Never say never.

While it's true demand is outstripping supply, which has helped drive prices up, another factor is followers and me-too investors are bidding up the price gobbling up bullion and coins.

Let's say the world economy goes sideways. Great Depression in terms of scale. The dollar collapses. Banks fail. The industrial demand for silver will also bottom out. The price will plummet. If central banks run to metals, it will be gold. Everyone will be selling their silver. The question will be who is buying it and what the price will be.

If the SHTF event preppers get a boner talking about actually happens, where would one sell silver?

I think what we are seeing in the market now is that silver is the new dutch tulip. About 7% of my investments are metals. Almost half and half silver and gold. It will never be more than that. The prices have already been bid up. This is the worst time to be buying it. Wait for the plunge - because it's going to happen. 20-40% swings are the historical norm.
 
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The electronics industry has been looking for alternatives to silver for a long time. For obvious reasons. Supply and cost. Never say never.

Unless a new (abundant) elemental metal is discovered (unlikely), silver will remain the best electrical and thermal conductor on the planet. And EVERYTHING is "going electric".... riiiiiiiiiiiiiight? ;) Nothing beats silver in that role. Anything else is a compromise.

While it's true demand is outstripping supply, which has helped drive prices up, another factor is followers and me-too investors are bidding up the price gobbling up bullion and coins.
The other factor is that investors (and BANKS) have bought orders of (paper) silver that don't exist and CAN'T be delivered. That's a HUGE problem.

Tulips had no industrial application.

If the SHTF event preppers get a boner talking about actually happens, where would one sell silver?
The exact same thing is true of gold. In a true SHTF situation, gold will have ZERO value as a currency. You going to buy bread with gold? Nope! It will be a barter system in which no metal (except lead in the form of ammo) will have any value at all.
 
Bank safety deposit boxes got robbed in Germany over the Christmas break. I think the boxes were only insured for $21,000 or something like that. Bank is closed and people are pissed... :( LINK

<<<Dozens of angry customers gathered in front of the bank on Tuesday loudly chanting "Let us in!".>>>

To do what??? What are the customers going to do once inside the bank???

<<<Another man said he used his deposit box to store cash and jewellery for his family.>>>

Welp.... there ya go. Trust NO ONE (but yourself).
 
It would seem timely to re-visit this...

 
Unless a new (abundant) elemental metal is discovered (unlikely), silver will remain the best electrical and thermal conductor on the planet. And EVERYTHING is "going electric".... riiiiiiiiiiiiiight? ;) Nothing beats silver in that role. Anything else is a compromise.


The other factor is that investors (and BANKS) have bought orders of (paper) silver that don't exist and CAN'T be delivered. That's a HUGE problem.

Tulips had no industrial application.


The exact same thing is true of gold. In a true SHTF situation, gold will have ZERO value as a currency. You going to buy bread with gold? Nope! It will be a barter system in which no metal (except lead in the form of ammo) will have any value at all.
Best conductor means nothing. Best isn't required. Modern techniques for using copper are making advances in replacing silver in electronics. Mostly because silver is becoming less unavailable or is priced out of sight. Nearly all invention and innovation is driven by these conditions. The photographic film industry was one of the biggest consumers of industrial silver. That huge industry was obliterated by technical advances. 20 years later, all but gone.

Tulips and silver have a lot in common. Supply and demand and irrational investors trying to get rich quick. When a commodity gets bid up 150% in a relatively short period of time, that's a red flag. The time to buy was before that happened. The best example of how unpredictable commodities can be is the price of a barrel of crude. Which like silver has a lot of industrial uses. Life as we know it depends on it. I suggest silver prices are being manipulated just like crude oil. Somebody's getting rich but it ain't gonna be us.

Crude oil prices... looks familiar.

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Just the other day I was reading a guy commenting that solar panels cannot be made without silver. Utter bullshit. They already are. And the reason for this is driven in a large way by the cost of silver. He had no idea what he was talking about but was in a frenzy. Not about investing in silver but that solar panels and batteries cannot be made without it. The world was going to come to a grinding halt. Fucking nonsense. As discussed here, silver is widely used for industrial purposes, it's more closely tied to the economic cycle than gold. Which is exactly why it's so much more volatile than gold.

I dont think buying silver was terrible idea a year ago. At todays prices ... I dont believe the upside is that good. It may go higher but most people who are buying it are not day trading. They are buying it for a rainy day. The thing is... when the rainy day comes it may be worth half what you paid for it. This why gold is a better safe harbor if that's what someone is looking for.
 
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When a commodity gets bid up 150% in a relatively short period of time, that's a red flag. The time to buy was before that happened.

True!

I suggest silver prices are being manipulated just like crude oil. Somebody's getting rich but it ain't gonna be us.

Definitely. We talked about that earlier in the thread. Banks are manipulating it and are literally "in cahoots" with each other. But the problem is the banks shorted PAPER silver that doesn't exist in physical form. And the (short) margin calls are being made.

I dont think buying silver was terrible idea a year ago. At todays prices ... I dont believe the upside is that good. It may go higher but most people who are buying it are not day trading. They are buying it for a rainy day. The thing is... when the rainy day comes it may be worth half what you paid for it. This why gold is a better safe harbor if that's what someone is looking for.

Agreed. But gold has the exact same risks (and maybe more, since it has relatively little industrial value).
 
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The plant I worked used gold and other precious metals like platinum and palladium in the manufacture of catalysts. When the catalyst was spent, the metal would be reclaimed and used again or returned to the client as the case may be.
 
True!



Definitely. We talked about that earlier in the thread. Banks are manipulating it and are literally "in cahoots" with each other. But the problem is the banks shorted PAPER silver that doesn't exist in physical form. And the (short) margin calls are being made.



Agreed. But gold has the exact same risks (and maybe more, since it has relatively little industrial value).
It's been a curious human behavior... why gold has always been so valued. Plenty of things in our world are rare.

Gold prices fluctuate too, just not as much or as boldly as silver has. Diamonds used to be a form of currency. Now DeBeers is trying to figure out why nobody wants natural diamonds anymore. The synthetics/lab diamonds have become so good, people are buying them. The perception that lab diamonds are fake or less attractive is fading fast. Especially with millennials and younger demographic groups.

DeBeers is the next Kodak.
 
It's been a curious human behavior... why gold has always been so valued. Plenty of things in our world are rare.

Gold prices fluctuate too, just not as much or as boldly as silver has. Diamonds used to be a form of currency. Now DeBeers is trying to figure out why nobody wants natural diamonds anymore. The synthetics/lab diamonds have become so good, people are buying them. The perception that lab diamonds are fake or less attractive is fading fast. Especially with millennials and younger demographic groups.

DeBeers is the next Kodak.
Didn't the same thing happen with pearls?
 
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