Proposed West Virginia Legislation Allowing Distribution of Machine Guns

Not a lawyer, and my gut says this won’t go anywhere, but it’s at least an interesting bill. If it goes through and survives a few judicial decisions, West Virginia might have a new source of tourism haha
 
So... if I'm understanding this correctly....

The STATE of West Virginia can utilize an exception in the law that allows them to set up a state-run gun store that can sell post-1986 / brand new machine guns to the public (as long as they are not prohibited persons).

Is that right??

A citizen can buy a brand new machine gun, as long as it's purchased from the (state) government and NOT an FFL or other private owner?
 
Racer88 said:
So... if I'm understanding this correctly....

The STATE of West Virginia can utilize an exception in the law that allows them to set up a state-run gun store that can sell post-1986 / brand new machine guns to the public (as long as they are not prohibited persons).

Is that right??

A citizen can buy a brand new machine gun, as long as it's purchased from the (state) government and NOT an FFL or other private owner?
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That’s more or less how I read it
 
The most likely scenario is the state would transfer the MG to an SOT in WV who would assist with the submission of the Form 4 and process the 4473 after the approved Form 4 is returned to them.

I doubt the state would actually operate a gun store and get the required licensure and have to train employees in all the ATF regs. Easier and cheaper for them just to use an existing SOT to handle the paperwork and transfer.
 
To be a resident get a place to live. Register vehicles. Stay 183 days. You're golden.
 
It doesnt cancel or supersede Federal law in any way.

If it passes, I suppose the State of WV could sell surplus automatic weapons from it's armory. But that still will not bypass the NFA.

I see no way an automatic weapon not being registered with BATFE as long as the NFA is law. That just ain't gonna happen. If you believe it will, give the bong a rest. :)
 
This is how I interpret it. The 1986? Act prohibited new NFA for individuals. The intent was to make the existing supply all there was. It specifically said which entities could still have new full auto.

W Va intends to buy however many they want. Log the in. Transfer them to a new state owned store who then sells them to individuals. Still need the tax stamp. Make a loophole in the 1986 act.

Pretty bold move.
 
I could be wrong but post 1986 auto would be outside the NFA and since the state is selling it directly to the consumer that would fall outside the federal rules. Could get very interesting for free states. Of course, the blue states and Florida won’t go for it unless DeSantis pushes it through.
 
serger said:
To be a resident get a place to live. Register vehicles. Stay 183 days. You're golden.
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Time to start a new city with a bar, a gun store, shooting range and upper apartment blocks with seven month leases.
Machine Gun City, WV

Does West Virginia allow gambling too? LOL
 
Racer88 said:
So... if I'm understanding this correctly....

The STATE of West Virginia can utilize an exception in the law that allows them to set up a state-run gun store that can sell post-1986 / brand new machine guns to the public (as long as they are not prohibited persons).

Is that right??

A citizen can buy a brand new machine gun, as long as it's purchased from the (state) government and NOT an FFL or other private owner?
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I wonder what the going price will be?
 
seniormoment said:
I wonder what the going price will be?
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Full auto select fire AR-15 for about 5 times what you can build it should be a good estimate. Then throw in the new state store fees and a new state FA tax, you can probably get one for just under 3 grand.
 
Curmudgeon said:
Full auto select fire AR-15 for about 5 times what you can build it should be a good estimate. Then throw in the new state store fees and a new state FA tax, you can probably get one for just under 3 grand.
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I’ll pass on that one
 
I can dump a 30 round mag pretty fast and keep it reasonably on target. Full auto is overrated.
 
seniormoment said:
I’ll pass on that one
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If you wanted FA, $3,000 for a legal AR would be a steal - you are usually looking at 10x that for a "transferable" one these days. While I respect @Bongo Lewi s assessment of FA being over-rated (from a usable perspective) just having one for the eff of it may be worth $3,000 -- a flame thrower isn't very practical but it is fun to use. I border WV and KY. Maybe the FA gremlins will get to my state too if they smell revenue.
 
brian said:
If you wanted FA, $3,000 for a legal AR would be a steal - you are usually looking at 10x that for a "transferable" one these days. While I respect @Bongo Lewi s assessment of FA being over-rated (from a usable perspective) just having one for the eff of it may be worth $3,000 -- a flame thrower isn't very practical but it is fun to use. I border WV and KY. Maybe the FA gremlins will get to my state too if they smell revenue.
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Yeah, they're 10X that because they're not being made for sale to you and I. Simple supply and demand. We can build ARs for less than $500 and the parts to make it FA are simple to produce and therefore not worth hundreds when everyone and their brother are making them.

I agree that FA is generally useless with the exception of smiles for a little while and cover fire when working in coordinated and trained groups against groups of enemy or a couple other tactical scenarios. Not to mention that most people couldn't afford to feed that kind of habit for long.
 
brian said:
If you wanted FA, $3,000 for a legal AR would be a steal - you are usually looking at 10x that for a "transferable" one these days. While I respect @Bongo Lewi s assessment of FA being over-rated (from a usable perspective) just having one for the eff of it may be worth $3,000 -- a flame thrower isn't very practical but it is fun to use. I border WV and KY. Maybe the FA gremlins will get to my state too if they smell revenue.
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I'd suggest getting an FRT or a binary trigger and call it a day. Way cheaper way to waste a lot of ammo :)

My loadout frequently included a full auto MP5. If you need to fill the air with lead when being engaged by a platoon of bad guys, or lay down cover, it is effective. Other than that... pretty much useless.

I'm not opposed to people being able to purchase or own select fire weapons. But if you are a civilian it is simply for jerking off. I get that full auto is boner worthy to someone who was not in an infantry or similar role. But before laying thousands of your hard earned dollars on the table, bear in mind it's fun for five minutes at the range - if rapid fire is even allowed. In most ranges, it isn't. If you can shoot on your own land, it's still a huge money waster. Every three second burst costs you ten bucks. It adds up. Easily $500 of ammo up in smoke in a few short minutes.
 

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