10mm

[k3nny173]

I mentioned this in my intro thread, it is now done.
I shot about 50 rounds through it and it was perfect from the first shot!
10 moves steel with extreme authority compared to 9
I might have to shoot a steel match with this, not to win, but just to watch steel fly

Lone Wolf Large/Large frame with Lone Wolf parts installed (except trigger)
Timney Trigger
Arm or Ally G20 compatible slide
Arm or Ally Barrel
Lone Wolf slide parts
HiViz adjustable sights (there is an RMR cut, but irons for now)
Hogue grip

Thanks FrankenGlock, would not have done this without your input

 

[FrankenGlock]

Looks great and works great, congrats on a fantastic build!

 

[brian]

Neither one of my PF45 builds work flawlessly (someday God willing but not yet!). I am impressed with the "thunder and lightning" coming off the 10mm. It does speak with authority. Some of my issues may be as simple as barrel fitment - Hooper Gun Works slide, Arm or Ally Duty series Barrel and Glock G20 OEM UPK/LPK and Tru Glo tritium/fiber sights:

 

[k3nny173]

I hesitated too long to get a PF45, that is what I really wanted. Maybe one day if polmer80 rises from the ashes I will be able to get one.

I am going to assume you have started a thread here somewhere with detailed pics/video of the problems?

Very odd for OEM Glock internals to have issues, I took a chance on the lone wolf parts, in the past they have been ok in a pinch, they seem to work.

My AoA slide and barrel were like they were cut from the same chunk of metal they fit together so precise and so well. The gun is also dead nuts accurate.

Yes, the thunder and lightening from the 10mm is fun. I am glad I built one after putting it off, even more glad I found 10mm ammo on sale over labor day weekend and got 1000

I have a steel match this Saturday with roughly 90 reactive steel targets, I know my time will suffer, but I really want to shoot it with the 10 now.

 

[FrankenGlock]

Some parts combos work while others do not, and it can take time to get things to function.

 

[Bobster]

I have a steel match this Saturday with roughly 90 reactive steel targets, I know my time will suffer, but I really want to shoot it with the 10 now.

That'll burn up about $100+ Good luck and don't miss too much...

 

[k3nny173]

That'll burn up about $100+ Good luck and don't miss too much...

yep, I wouldn't make a habit out of it, but just to see the look on everyone's face would be worth it once
I normally shoot federal 9mm 147's, so the delta to S&B 10mm would not be that much

I need to practice with it a little more between now and then, still on the fence, never good to shoot a match (even a casual one) with a new gun that only has 50 rounds through it

 

[Bobster]

That'll burn up about $100+ Good luck and don't miss too much...

Hmmmm.... I found this at AIM Surplus...

 

[FrankenGlock]

Much better prices out there on 10mm. 10mm Auto Ammo

 

[k3nny173]

You have to watch the sales.
I paid $270 for 1000 147 gr federal 9mm to my door
I paid $380 for a 1000 180 gr Sellier & Bellot 10mm to my door (labor day sale)

27 cents per vs 38 cents per (11 cents difference)
at 90 targets, i might shoot 110 rounds

I have maybe a $12-$13 difference (if I miss more than 20 shots, might be 11 cents more)

 

[k3nny173]

I ran stage 3 with the 10mm, there were 29 targets, not for score just for fun to see what would happen

I will admit I was not having a great day today, my times with the G34 clone in the match were not good for whatever the reasons.

My time with the 10mm was only 4 seconds slower and I had an extra mag change (only have OEM glock 15 round mags, so needed the 3rd mag to get 29 targets)

Picture is a little far out, but poppers and knock over steels on posts, half moon shape, so center targets are further away

it was fun, worth the 35ish rounds I shot

 

[FrankenGlock]

I bet you had fun though. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Interesting. I'm not shocked by the result. 10mm in a timed steel match you will always be slower and miss more than someone with a 9mm. By the same token, I'm pretty sure I could wipe the floor with someone shooting 9mm in the same challenge if I shot a 5.7x28

10mm times might improve if the gun were metal, maybe also comped. Recoil on a plastic gun in 10mm is unmanageable by comparison.

Of course it is most common that you are competing against others who are also shooting 10mm. A 1911 are going to win that battle nearly every time. That said, if I had to choose a polymer striker gun in 10mm, it would be the Springfield XD.

If the situation were I was being pursued by 29 zombies in close quarters I'd pick 5.7x28 and 20 round mags every time. Granted the best approach would be to simply fill the air with lead with a shotgun or sub gun. But if you wanted to put a bullet in each as fast as possible, you need great form and minimal muzzle flip.

I have several but never carry 10mm for self defense. While I like the caliber, it's overkill for target and shooting two legged threats who aren't wearing armor. Right gun (and caliber) for the right job is my credo.

 

[k3nny173]

I never done anything 'the right way' a day in my life

I am going to try a stage again with a 10mm. After I get some larger capacity mags and a little more practice. This pistol isn't even broken in yet, you can still feel the slight roughness in the slide when you pull it back,

I should mention, I am not the fastest shooter or the best shooter, I just shoot for fun.
I don't have the time or energy needed to be the best at it

I just enjoy shooting (I do long range rifle and various shotgun sports as well, I am not the best at those either ) I also enjoy tinkering with Glocks and Glock clones

I am also not buying a $6000-$9000 2011 which seems to be what all the top shooters are shooting these days.

The bigger purpose I built this gun for was to shoot bowling pin matches in a class for larger caliber only. I won a couple rounds last time with my real Glock 21, thought a G20 clone might take it to the next level of pins flying off the table. Shooting some steel stages is warm up

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I never done anything 'the right way' a day in my life

I am going to try a stage again with a 10mm. After I get some larger capacity mags and a little more practice. This pistol isn't even broken in yet, you can still feel the slight roughness in the slide when you pull it back,

I should mention, I am not the fastest shooter or the best shooter, I just shoot for fun.
I don't have the time or energy needed to be the best at it

I just enjoy shooting (I do long range rifle and various shotgun sports as well, I am not the best at those either ) I also enjoy tinkering with Glocks and Glock clones

I am also not buying a $6000-$9000 2011 which seems to be what all the top shooters are shooting these days.

The bigger purpose I built this gun for was to shoot bowling pin matches in a class for larger caliber only. I won a couple rounds last time with my real Glock 21, thought a G20 clone might take it to the next level of pins flying off the table. Shooting some steel stages is warm up

Pin shooting is great fun. I get what you are saying. Personally, I dont care much for organized matches. Too many douchebags have infiltrated those organizations. I only attend them to piss off the douchebags. It's a flaw in my character.

I like your point of view. You really are at your best when you compete against yourself. Iteratively improving on your best over time.

I still think 10mm sucks at any target challenge. It's too hot. But carry on brother. The important thing is you hit what you are aiming at. That's the whole purpose of owning a gun. If you are having fun doing that, we can be friends.

 

[Alex]

There are guys in my club that game the rules so hard that when a stage called for a reload they would release the mag and slap it back into the gun without letting it get out of the grip and they would call that a reload.

The match director caught on and now they say you have to do a mandatory change of ammunition feeding devices. Yes, these were the guys with 2011s and 30 round magazines playing against putzes like me with my homemade guns and Safariland "gun bucket" holster that everything fits into. But I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

SGM Tactical 10mm 30-Round Extended Magazine for Glock 20 Pistols

Steel-reinforced polymer construction Numbered witness holes Tough polymer floor plate Anti-tilt polymer follower Stainless steel spring 5-year warranty

gunmagwarehouse.com

 

[Bongo Lewi]

There are guys in my club that game the rules so hard that when a stage called for a reload they would release the mag and slap it back into the gun without letting it get out of the grip and they would call that a reload.

The match director caught on and now they say you have to do a mandatory change of ammunition feeding devices. Yes, these were the guys with 2011s and 30 round magazines playing against putzes like me with my homemade guns and Safariland "gun bucket" holster that everything fits into. But I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

SGM Tactical 10mm 30-Round Extended Magazine for Glock 20 Pistols

Steel-reinforced polymer construction Numbered witness holes Tough polymer floor plate Anti-tilt polymer follower Stainless steel spring 5-year warranty

gunmagwarehouse.com

It was good fortune that my early training centered on not getting killed and shooting the bad guy before he shoots you vs walking out of a range with a trophy. Some guys think it's about the trophy. I'm not one of those.

On the other hand my clays shooting was always sporting in nature. Since I was 10-12 years old. I rarely encountered the d-bags you find at pistol matches. Both officials and competitors. There were occasionally some snobby types with $15,000 Kreighoff or Beretta guns that almost nobody can afford, but even then they were more aloof than rude.

 

[k3nny173]

I know it is a lot of work and practice to always be the top shooter. I usually place in the middle, if I am having a great day (and it does happen) I place a littler higher. Then if I do something like forget to shoot the start plate on a stage, but finish the stage anyway, and get a ton of penalties, I just laugh

I normally don't care for organized matches either, but the matches have the variety, something different to shoot at. The picture I posted above is one stage from the 5 or 6 matches I have attended now, and each time all 3 stages have been different with different targets. The club makes some money off each match that they have agreed can continue to buy more different types of targets. There is something new to shoot every month. I can't find the variety any other way (and I am not spending thousands to buy my own personal steels to shoot) I like to shoot texas stars, short of buying my own, this is how I have to do it.

Putting holes in paper is just too boring now. My range does allow us to shoot full cans of soda out to 50 yards any time the range is open, that is next on my list for 10mm, 12 pack (or 2 or 3) of cheap supermarket brand soda, will try at 25 yards to start (this is also good pin practice)

Pin shoots on the other hand can be a completely different animal. I have won against shooters much better than me just because one of their pins fell on it's side and didn't fall off the table and they took multiple extra shots to clear it

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I know it is a lot of work and practice to always be the top shooter. I usually place in the middle, if I am having a great day (and it does happen) I place a littler higher. Then if I do something like forget to shoot the start plate on a stage, but finish the stage anyway, and get a ton of penalties, I just laugh

That's the right attitude. The most important question is... am I competent with a firearm in defending myself? I'll be intentionally over dramatic in stating that half the guys who win at matches would piss their pants in a real defensive shooting situation. Or get shot first.

Target shooting in all of its incarnations is good practice but it in no way duplicates defensive shooting. Certain IDPA matches get closer, but sadly in my experience, too many guys who are tools that imagine themselves as Olympic shooters or officials have invaded the ranks and ruined it.

 

[Bobster]

I went to my monthly Action Steel a little over a week ago. Ran the 15-22 w/Monstrum 1.5x and 322 w/TruGlo. Scored 19th and 33rd out of 43 shooters that completed the course of six stages. I actually scored highest in my "group", probably because there were no "pretty shirts" in it. One of my stages there was only .15sec. diff between the pistol and rifle! Those were "clean" runs AND I got the bonus pts! (ie: -5.00 sec) I accrued time here and there from misses that I didn't follow up on--with plates ringing on either side, it is hard to discern visually or audibly when the .22 hits sometimes.



My neighbor usually sets up the matches and we often ride in together but he was away doing PRS so some other guys set it up using "Summer Speed League" courses-of-fire. This meant for a "quick" match, I don't think I used more than 125rds for either gun and was packed up and on the road by 11:30. The LAST time they let the other guys set it up, it was easily a 225rd match and many people ran out of ammo and complained. That one was 1:30pm by the time I was out of there...

I get there early to help setup and the match fees are "comped", in this case $20 and $5 for the extra gun. It takes a little planning and quick reloading of mags to be ready to shoot consecutively, PLUS I also help run the timer and tablet that records the times from the timer. The tablet is then uploaded to Practiscore and the results are available 10-15min after the match is over. I have both mag pouches on the same belt rig.

It was VERY squishy from the rain with puddles everywhere and I neglected to wear boots BUT I was able to avoid taking water over the gunnels of my Sketchers Outdoors through my cat-like prowess and walking along the edges...