28th Amendment Started: Includes "banning civilian purchases of assault weapons"

[Bongo Lewi]

I'm pretty sure we are never going to find out. Most people are left-leaning centrists. They may lean left but they don't lean that far left.

President Big Mike would be unconditionally rejected by every Muslim on the planet. Which is approaching a majority among humankind. It would be political suicide for the US. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. And I should mention chicks with d_cks don't sit well with practicing Christians or Hindus either. Or the Chinese.

Think the 12 people who really run the world don't think about this? They do.

The psycho tranny zealots we see on TV are a big media film flam, meant to create controversy. They represent a very small minority.

That said, Bathhouse Barry could run again. But if he does, this Big Mike thing is not going away. They won't risk it.

 

[Polymer 80 addict]

This is nothing more than "presidential contender" peacocking by Gov Nuisance. He KNOWS it has less than zero chance of going forward.

To answer the question in the OP... I don't know the answer... if a contradictory amendment would have to be preceded by nullifying an existing amendment. I figure it's built in to the new amendment if it contradicts an existing amendment. The new amendment would effectively repeal the previous amendment.

But of course... Neva gonna happen! LOL! I had to throw that in there.

BTW... The "Right to Safety" amendment has even bigger problems, conceptually, than contradicting the 2A. Enumerating Safety as a "Right" would necessarily impose liability on government agencies to provide safety for every individual citizen. Of course that's quite literally impossible.

As many of us already know, there have been 5 federal court decisions (including 2 by SCOTUS) that confirmed gov't agencies (such as the police) have no legal duty to protect citizens from harm. In other words... Citizens are NOT entitled to "safety."

Excellent point. And what a joke the call it the "right to safety" while they can't guarantee our safety. They won't succeed and we won't let them.

 

[Polymer 80 addict]

I'm pretty sure we are never going to find out. Most people are left-leaning centrists. They may lean left but they don't lean that far left.

President Big Mike would be unconditionally rejected by every Muslim on the planet. Which is approaching a majority among humankind. It would be political suicide for the US. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. And I should mention chicks with d_cks don't sit well with practicing Christians or Hindus either. Or the Chinese.

Think the 12 people who really run the world don't think about this? They do.

The psycho tranny zealots we see on TV are a big media film flam, meant to create controversy. They represent a very small minority.

That said, Bathhouse Barry could run again. But if he does, this Big Mike thing is not going away. They won't risk it.

Bathhouse Barry lol we have to get that mainstreamed

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Bathhouse Barry lol we have to get that mainstreamed

Look up "Mans Country in Chicago". You'll see a connection.

Nicknames always have some basis in reality. Soldiers for the mob were great at thinking those up :

Jimmy the Gent, Tommy No-Nose, Joey the Clown, Tony Bagels, Sammy the Bull, Johnny Sausage, Bobby Donuts, etc...

 

[USApat]

This is an excellent video. It covers what is required to add an amendment to the Constitution and analyzes the chances of success.

The next time you get in an argument with a liberal about passing laws against guns through the House or Senate, send them this flick to educate them. Be sure and hand them a hanky for crying.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj0e48tW4ko

 

[Racer88]

This is an excellent video. It covers what is required to add an amendment to the Constitution and analyzes the chances of success.

The next time you get in an argument with a liberal about passing laws against guns through the House or Senate, send them this flick to educate them. Be sure and hand them a hanky for crying.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj0e48tW4ko

I haven't watched the video, yet. But I suspect it's much like what I've said countless times to liberal friends about how they can ACTUALLY "get rid of the 2nd Amendment."

Invariably, my comments are met with stony silence or a righteously indignant claim that it's "your opinion!"

Noooooo... it's in the Constitution. Look it up. The Constitution has provisions for changes to the Constitution. So, shut the fuck up and DO IT.

 

[Pern]

My God this country is crazy. Is this really the way it’s going to be for the rest of my life? Tell me it isn’t so.

 

[USApat]

My God this country is crazy. Is this really the way it’s going to be for the rest of my life? Tell me it isn’t so.

Buy ammo.

 

[Michele]

Buy a 3D printer, learn to reload make ammo

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Some form of the '94 ban could and probably will happen. Whether it is possible for that to happen has already been established. This 2024 election will determine when it happens. The severity of the restrictions that get passed will depend on who has a majority and who is in the Oval Office.

That will be the will of the majority. Bubba and Bubbette don't vote.

I suspect if this happens, the elimination of private sales is going to be part of it.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Grandpa's! Millennials and post-millennials in the major urban centers will not own guns. Or cars. But they will keep eating avocado toast.

Why do I think this? Because the gun community is too insular and they spend all their time talking to each other. Kids not brought up around guns don't give a flying f_ck about the 2A. Many have been taught to be against it. That is the reality.

If you ask me what the main reason for this shift in public opinion might be, I can answer that without hesitation. 20+ years ago, the gun community and gun makers started marketing guns for the civilian market as tactical, military weapons. Not tools for citizens to defend themselves and their families. It has nothing to do with semi-auto or not. It has to do with how guns were marketed. "Tacticool" sold a shit load of guns and accessories but changed public perception of firearms.

So, between gun makers, sellers, and the mall ninja who likes playing Army and gets a boner just looking at his AR, the average law abiding citizen loses the right to own buy or sell certain types of guns. See photo.

I have seen the enemy, and it is Private Porkchop and greedy gunmakers and sellers focused on short-term profits.

 

[Racer88]

Some form of the '94 ban could and probably will happen. Whether it is possible for that to happen has already been established. This 2024 election will determine when it happens. The severity of the restrictions that get passed will depend on who has a majority and who is in the Oval Office.

That will be the will of the majority. Bubba and Bubbette don't vote.

I suspect if this happens, the elimination of private sales is going to be part of it.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Grandpa's! Millennials and post-millennials in the major urban centers will not own guns. Or cars. But they will keep eating avocado toast.

Disagree.. The opposite is happening. You have fallen for the fallacy of misleading vividness. Hook, line, and sinker. Your prediction is simply wrong. The 2A is winning, and it's winning "BIGLY." You are assigning a far higher value to a very small segment of the American culture than it deserves... because you are bombarded with that message by the media.

Why do I think this? Because the gun community is too insular and they spend all their time talking to each other.

I think you may be the one living in an "insular" bubble. It sure seems that way. While we (the gun community) do talk to each other a lot, there are TONS of us on social media talking to OTHERS. Seriously... have you not seen it? Social media has been a boon to our ability to talk to everyone, including the other side. Almost anyone can be an advocate... or in today's parlance... "influencer."

Kids not brought up around guns don't give a flying f_ck about the 2A. Many have been taught to be against it. That is the reality.

Sure... if the kids are in NYC or Baltimore or Honolulu or San Franscisco. There's a great big country between those places, FULL of kids being brought up around guns. And I do mean FULL. For someone so well-traveled, you seem to be unaware of your own country's predominant culture. My intent is not to be critical or to question your motives or influences. But I am a bit baffled, honestly.

If you ask me what the main reason for this shift in public opinion might be, I can answer that without hesitation. 20+ years ago, the gun community and gun makers started marketing guns for the civilian market as tactical, military weapons. Not tools for citizens to defend themselves and their families.

I'm calling baloney on that. That's a progressive talking point. It's equivalent to accusing the auto industry of emphasizing features that came from race cars... which is actually true! Most auto tech trickles down from developments in auto racing. But that doesn't mean that the industry is encouraging people to race on the streets.

It has nothing to do with semi-auto or not. It has to do with how guns were marketed. "Tacticool" sold a shit load of guns and accessories but changed public perception of firearms.

Back to the fallacy of misleading vividness. If by "public perception" you mean the whole "assault weapon" canard foisted by the media and politicians.... well.... yeah... they fooled you, too. Again... come along with me for a visit to the land between Baltimore and San Fransisco.

So, between gun makers, sellers, and the mall ninja who likes playing Army and gets a boner just looking at his AR, the average law abiding citizen loses the right to own buy or sell certain types of guns. See photo.

Really? You're using a comedic and exaggerated MEME to prove this "point??" Reductio ad absurdum.

Finally... I will offer up an example personal to me that flies in the face of your predictions...

I live in highly populated part of my state. It is also predominantly "blue." A local friend of 30 years is a die-hard liberal. For 30 years, we've debated politics... and remained friends! One of the most contentious topics has been.... GUNS. He was staunchly anti-gun. We had all the usual arguments. Of course, neither of us budged even a millimeter.

Several months ago, I learned that my friend bought a gun. In fact, he bought THREE guns. Furthermore, he got his license to carry and carried daily! I forget which one, but his carry piece was a Glock. And for home defense, he got an AR style 9mm CMMG "Banshee" with a suppressor!! This guy was opposed to virtually ALL firearms, but especially those evil "assault weapons." And now he's buying NFA shit!

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??? My friend, who was resolutely anti-gun, just armed the shit out of himself! I was at his home and he proudly showed them to me.

So, did he fall "victim" to the "tacticool" marketing? Do you think THAT'S what got to him? That's what convinced him to buy all these cool guns?

Well... naturally, I HAD to ask him about his RADICAL shift in beliefs regarding guns. And so I did. To quote myself, "Jim, I have to ask you... After all these years of being anti-gun, why the shift? What changed?"

His answer was simple, concise, and profound. He answered my question with only this: "The police aren't coming." Whoa!

Mind you... he's still a raving liberal. So, think about that. I doubt very much that he is an anomaly among progressive liberals. He's one of MANY... with more to come.

Besides a public shift in favor of the 2A, the state and federal courts are setting precedents in supporting the 2A left and right. A national ban is not going to happen.

 

[brian]

His answer was simple, concise, and profound. He answered my question with only this: "The police aren't coming." Whoa!

Mind you... he's still a raving liberal. So, think about that. I doubt very much that he is an anomaly among progressive liberals. He's one of MANY... with more to come

Ironic you bring up this angle. I attended a presentation (seminar?) last night given by the founder of Second Call Defense. He more or less brought up the same point words to the effect of "even people on the left are buy guns now". In reference to the rising crime and so forth.

While I agree that the 2A is winning in court cases, I do pause to think on the likely hood of new legislation as my fear is that these same people on the left buying guns are still going to vote for the same candidates who are vowing to ban guns. On a national level, we just need 51 "neighs" in the Senate to fend off at least the worst of new laws. For the time being, that may be good enough with folks like Manchin in the Senate. Post November?

 

[Racer88]

Ironic you bring up this angle. I attended a presentation (seminar?) last night given by the founder of Second Call Defense. He more or less brought up the same point words to the effect of "even people on the left are buy guns now". In reference to the rising crime and so forth.

While I agree that the 2A is winning in court cases, I do pause to think on the likely hood of new legislation as my fear is that these same people on the left buying guns are still going to vote for the same candidates who are vowing to ban guns. On a national level, we just need 51 "neighs" in the Senate to fend off at least the worst of new laws. For the time being, that may be good enough with folks like Manchin in the Senate. Post November?

Here's the thing... they can "ban" whatever they want. There will be MASSIVE non-compliance. And we already have precedence on non-compliance. To wit... the liberal enclaves of NY and CT passed laws back in 2013 requiring registration or surrender of evil black rifles. Compliance was 6% and 12% respectively. The vast majority did not comply. It's been 10 years... and still no compliance and no effective "ban."

The gun genie left the bottle a LONG time ago in the US. There are likely 500M to 1B guns in private hands in the U.S. Far more than the "400M" claimed.

Banning EBRs in the U.S. is like banning sand at the beach. They can SAY it all they want. But it ain't happening. It's quite literally impossible to get rid of guns in the U.S.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Here's the thing... they can "ban" whatever they want. There will be MASSIVE non-compliance. And we already have precedence on non-compliance. To wit... the liberal enclaves of NY and CT passed laws back in 2013 requiring registration or surrender of evil black rifles. Compliance was 6% and 12% respectively. The vast majority did not comply. It's been 10 years... and still no compliance and no effective "ban."

The gun genie left the bottle a LONG time ago in the US. There are likely 500M to 1B guns in private hands in the U.S. Far more than the "400M" claimed.

Banning EBRs in the U.S. is like banning sand at the beach. They can SAY it all they want. But it ain't happening. It's quite literally impossible to get rid of guns in the U.S.

Non-compliance is a whole 'nuther thing. We can agree that will be the case. How will that manifest? The government will simply use prosecutorial power to make dramatic examples of people. Those who have no desire to be next, which is almost everyone, will comply.

Your confidence in how big the average gun owner's balls are is different from mine. Those who truly dig in their heels better be good at staying under the radar. And abandon social media. It's a lead generator for regulators. Their jackbooted thugs will drive up in an armored vehicle and knock on your door.

I call bullshit on any pundit who says liberals are turning to guns in numbers. That is utter nonsense. It's disinformation. I'd question who is paying someone who says that. Because that is exactly the propaganda I would spread if I were on the other side. Maybe some like you friend have. He will fold under pressure. Liberals are reactionary. They are also pussies.

Can't happen? WTF! It did happen in 1994. What changed? More people are in favor of gun control now. That's what has changed.

 

[Racer88]

The government will simply use prosecutorial power to make dramatic examples of people. Those who have no desire to be next, which is almost everyone, will comply.

You mean like they did in NY and CT?? Oh wait... that hasn't happened there.

Your confidence in how big the average gun owner's balls are is different from mine. Those who truly dig in their heels better be good at staying under the radar. And abandon social media. It's a lead generator for regulators. Their jackbooted thugs will drive up in an armored vehicle and knock on your door.

Again... like the estimated 1 million AR-15 owners in NY? Oh, wait... nothing happened to the non-compliant gun owners.

I call bullshit on any pundit who says liberals are turning to guns. That is utter nonsense.

I'm not a pundit. One of the most liberal and anti-gun people I've ever known... bought 3 guns, including NFA items. But, yeah... He's probably the only one.

The largest increase demographic of new gun buyers in the last couple of years is black women. Surely none of them are liberals. I mean, after all... look at the political history of that demographic.

Can't happen? WTF! It did happen in 1994. What changed? More people are in favor of gun control now. That's what has changed.

You sure about that?

The reliability / accuracy of these "polls" notwithstanding, eh?

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Do you have a gun in your home? In general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now? Do you think there should or should not be a law that would ban the possession of handguns, except by the police and other...

news.gallup.com

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Zero faith in surveys. All the most respected surveys said Hillary was going to kill Trump in a landslide. Including Gallup. And others. It's not that they are corrupt. It's that people don't answer honestly and who they poll matters. Let's not forget the prediction of the Red Wave in 2020 that didn't happen.

The funny thing about polls is that as a pollster you never know who you aren't talking to.

We can play a numbers game but in my opinion, it's irrelevant. My money is on certain guns being further restricted by way of something like the '94 ban. I'll bet a steak dinner it happens. I don't wish that to be true, I just don't breathe my own exhaust fumes. Young people who are just now approaching voting age will make it possible. That's my prediction.

I find it amusing that the Gallup respondents, most of whom probably do not own an AR and are constantly ridiculed by those who do for not understanding what an assault rifle is or what semi-automatic means - suddenly have some sway in a poll asking them something that is declared by the enlightened they know absolutely nothing about.

Regarding pundits, I was referring to Brian's comment:

Ironic you bring up this angle. I attended a presentation (seminar?) last night given by the founder of Second Call Defense. He more or less brought up the same point words to the effect of "even people on the left are buy guns now". In reference to the rising crime and so forth.

I'll say it again. When lefties start buying guns (I don't believe that for one second), they will be the first to give them up and do it in a flamboyant, public way. It's brilliant propaganda actually. Remember the guy who sawed his AR-15 in half on YouTube after one of those school shootings? He never gave a fuck about the Second Amendment. It was more important to him to be liked or popular than to stand on principles he never had.

I bear no malice for someone who is sensibly liberal or considers themself a pacifist who abhors violence. Society needs those people to provide balance to those who have a warrior ethos or are fiercely self-reliant. But someone who is genuinely on the left in the heart and soul who buys a gun is either scared and irrational or full of shit. They will surrender at the first sign of danger or threat. Here's the 60,000 question: If you asked them, how many of the alleged gun-buying liberals are willing to kill someone? No matter how threatening they may be? Ask them and you'll see what I mean.

In a Central American country, in an abundance of caution, I handed a pistol to a government official when our motorcade was blocked by farm vehicles in a remote location. This is a common method for initiating assassinations or kidnappings. He said, "I cannot kill someone". I said, "Then you may be killed". It was a false alarm, all was well and we were on our way.

He was a good man. But he didn't have the balls to shoot someone. Even to defend his own life. Don't kid yourself that these people are not the majority. In many ways, we should be thankful. Do you want to live in a world governed by survival of the fittest? It's a common opinion among those who have never experienced it.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I should have added my final sentence.

That's not freedom and the pursuit of happiness. It's usually quite the opposite.

 

[Racer88]

Zero faith in surveys. All the most respected surveys said Hillary was going to kill Trump in a landslide. Including Gallup. And others. It's not that they are corrupt. It's that people don't answer honestly and who they poll matters. Let's not forget the prediction of the Red Wave in 2020 that didn't happen.

Ah, but YOU have deemed yourself a BETTER "pollster" of what most Americans think? Who's breathing fumes?

Of course, I totally agree with the position that polls cannot be trusted for all the reasons you stated and then some.

One might argue that, if anything, the untrustworthy polls (run by liberals) would have predictably skewed the numbers in favor of gun control. But, oddly enough, they didn't.

In any case, I try to state my positions and back them up with some sort of citation. What I said about the bans and compliance in NY and CT are backed with facts. Easy to look up. Given that those states are arguably very "blue" and they STILL didn't comply... It is quite reasonable to extrapolate that same compliance rate to the not-blue-at-all "fly-over" states.

Look at what happened with the bump stock turn-in laws. NONE were turned in.

Perhaps you live in a blue state with onerous laws already... and it's easier to simply concede and convince yourself defeat is inevitable.

Not me. Not where I live, thankfully.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Ah, but YOU have deemed yourself a BETTER "pollster" of what most Americans think? Who's breathing fumes?

Of course, I totally agree with the position that polls cannot be trusted for all the reasons you stated and then some.

One might argue that, if anything, the untrustworthy polls (run by liberals) would have predictably skewed the numbers in favor of gun control. But, oddly enough, they didn't.

In any case, I try to state my positions and back them up with some sort of citation. What I said about the bans and compliance in NY and CT are backed with facts. Easy to look up. Given that those states are arguably very "blue" and they STILL didn't comply... It is quite reasonable to extrapolate that same compliance rate to the not-blue-at-all "fly-over" states.

Look at what happened with the bump stock turn-in laws. NONE were turned in.

Perhaps you live in a blue state with onerous laws already... and it's easier to simply concede and convince yourself defeat is inevitable.

Not me. Not where I live, thankfully.

Not a pollster. Just a painstaking observer of human behavior.

If your neighbors and community are your line of defense, I'd have a plan B. Which I am sure you do.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I've been to Anne Frank's home in Amsterdam. Where she hid for two years until being ratted out. Ironically by a fellow Jew who believed it was in their interest to do so.