Video Ay, ay, ay... People are STUPID (with guns).

Racer88 said:
Nope. It doesn't. It's not what stops me from drinking and driving. Common sense and a moral compass are what prevent me from doing that.... not that I might be punished.

In fact, such laws do nothing to PREVENT it, and the proof is in the pudding. Nobody makes that decision based on the law. They make it based on their own moral compass and sense.

But that's not to suggest I'm arguing against having such laws. Those laws serve to justifiably punish / penalize those who violate them. But I do not suffer the delusion that laws prevent crime.

Criminals be criminaling, no matter what. They have accepted the risks of being caught and brought to justice as being LOWER than the benefits of getting away with the crime. But the decision to commit a crime or not commit a crime does not hinge on the existence of a law.

Just as a "No Guns" sign has never ever stopped a criminal from doing bad things with a gun in such a place. Rather it could be argued that it encourages crime, as the victims have been disarmed for the convenience of the criminal.


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An interesting academic discussion but I encourage actually going someplace where the rule of law doesn't exist and see how well that works. Ask me how I know. To those misguided about what freedom is, like in the absence of governance, I suggest they be careful what they wish for.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
An interesting academic discussion but I encourage actually going someplace where the rule of law doesn't exist and see how well that works. Ask me how I know. To those misguided about what freedom is, like in the absence of governance, I suggest they be careful what they wish for.
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Like I said... I'm not arguing against the laws and penalties that go with them. But I know they don't prevent crime. They just provide for the proper adjudication of crimes.
 
Racer88 said:
Like I said... I'm not arguing against the laws and penalties that go with them. But I know they don't prevent crime. They just provide for the proper adjudication of crimes.
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Experts who study such things disagree. Five Things About Deterrence

There's a more callous way to describe deterrence. Go to prison, get sodomized. Beaten. Daily. Live in fear every day.

That's certainly a consideration I would give before committing a serious crime.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
There's a more callous way to describe deterrence. Go to prison, get sodomized. Beaten. Daily. Live in fear every day.

That's certainly a consideration I would give before committing a serious crime.
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The study I read about crime deterrence (which came from the DOJ) was that the #1 consideration (and fear) of criminals is an armed victim. Not the police. Not going to prison. I'd have to look it up, as I don't have it at hand.

So, yeah.... no criminal thinks, "Gosh, if I do this, I could go to jail.... So, I'm going to straighten up, go to church, volunteer at the soup kitchen, and back to school or get a real job." Bullshit. Instead they think ONLY about the easy money and NOT having to work at a job.
 
Racer88 said:
The study I read about crime deterrence (which came from the DOJ) was that the #1 consideration (and fear) of criminals is an armed victim. Not the police. Not going to prison. I'd have to look it up, as I don't have it at hand.

So, yeah.... no criminal thinks, "Gosh, if I do this, I could go to jail.... So, I'm going to straighten up, go to church, volunteer at the soup kitchen, and back to school or get a real job." Bullshit. Instead they think ONLY about the easy money and NOT having to work at a job.
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I have no sympathy for criminals but they aren’t as monolithic as you suggest. It’s true some don’t care about consequences. Others may fear or avoid someone who they know is armed. But those not afraid of being locked up… they are not in the minority. That same fear is also what keeps honest people honest. They fear consequences. Punishment. Perhaps going to Hell or suffering Gods wrath.

What motivates criminal behavior is not simple. Sociopathy, psychopathy, revenge, religion, political extremism, greed, retribution, jealousy, low iq, etc. all contribute to antisocial, violent behaviors.

The world is not black and white, good or bad, and people in it are not binary either. Ironically one of the things that triggers negative and sometimes criminal behavior is the inability to cope with the complexities of life. They see it only as chaos. They obsess over it. Or view themselves as victims. This is why certain kids and adults are bullies. Among other things, a manifestation of fear and insecurity.

My observation is that one dimensional thinkers and those who have nothing good to say about anything are the most likely to become unhinged and engage in criminal or antisocial behavior. Cloaked in what they call freedom.

Liberty and claiming their rights have been trampled is often the refuge of a scoundrel.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
I have no sympathy for criminals but they aren’t as monolithic as you suggest. It’s true some don’t care about consequences. Others may fear or avoid someone who they know is armed. But those not afraid of being locked up… they are not in the minority. That same fear is also what keeps honest people honest. They fear consequences. Punishment. Perhaps going to Hell or suffering Gods wrath.

What motivates criminal behavior is not simple. Sociopathy, psychopathy, revenge, religion, political extremism, greed, retribution, jealousy, low iq, etc. all contribute to antisocial, violent behaviors.

The world is not black and white, good or bad, and people in it are not binary either. Ironically one of the things that triggers negative and sometimes criminal behavior is the inability to cope with the complexities of life. They see it only as chaos. They obsess over it. Or view themselves as victims. This is why certain kids and adults are bullies. Among other things, a manifestation of fear and insecurity.

My observation is that one dimensional thinkers and those who have nothing good to say about anything are the most likely to become unhinged and engage in criminal or antisocial behavior. Cloaked in what they call freedom.

Liberty and claiming their rights have been trampled is often the refuge of a scoundrel.
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Others that come to mind, and are fairly rampant these days, are.... entitlement and "equity." Much of society today believes NOT in equality (of opportunity) but "equity," which is another way of saying "equal outcomes" (regardless of effort or lack thereof).

And while I'm not religious or spiritual, nor do I generally believe in occult or paranormal... I do believe there are people who are truly evil. Evil exists.
 
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Another uncommanded discharge Sig complaint. This time it is Johnny Ringo's great great grandson.

It just went off.
 
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I think he should change out his police vest for one that says "DUMBASS"
 
Racer88 said:
Like I said... I'm not arguing against the laws and penalties that go with them. But I know they don't prevent crime. They just provide for the proper adjudication of crimes.
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It's the ENFORCEMENT of said laws and penalties that are quite influential. The problem is, we have so many laws on the books that don't get enforced when it comes to real criminals.
 

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