Video Ay, ay, ay... People are STUPID (with guns).

[Racer88]

My rule with guns stored in cases or safes is there is NEVER a loaded magazine IN the gun and the chamber is empty.

Why? Honest question.

My rule is the opposite. Any gun that has potential to be of use in home defense is ALWAYS loaded (and chambered). Not just one gun.

Not all of my guns (in the safe) are loaded. But many are. That means loaded magazine and chamber. Loaded.

Similarly, my cars all have gas in them.

Guns do NOT "go off," even when dropped. We literally test our builds by dropping them (with snap caps) to make sure the drop safe mechanisms are working, eh?

 

[Bobster]

Why? Honest question.

I'm not going to be going into a case or safe to retrieve a firearm to use in an "emergency". I have guns in holsters and/or stashed in locations and those ARE ready to go or "almost" ready. I keep loaded mags in many of the cases so it would be a matter of popping a mag in and racking the slide/bolt.

As an RSO, you should know that one should keep a gun unloaded until ready to use. A gun in a holster or stashed in a toolbox or desk (for example) would be considered "ready to use". A cased gun or one in a safe is not "ready to use", IMO...

 

[One Ping Only]

One of the problematic issues with semi-autos and CC is regarding rechambering the same rounds repeatedly, as it can drive the bullet too far into the case and cause some potential catastrophic pressure issues; and for THAT reason, I have a few ( A FEW) pet S-A CC pieces that are ALWAYS kept loaded and ready, even when in a safe...and these particular pistols I have fluorescent flags on the rack detent they sit in, so as to immediately notify/remind that it's loaded. (And when those rounds are expended at the range, we start afresh...)

My revolvers stay unloaded unless they have nightstand, daytime house, or carry duty. They never stay loaded in the safe.

That being said, one of the primary rules for handling a firearm is TREAT EVERY GUN AS IF IT IS LOADED UNTIL YOU CONFIRM IT'S UNLOADED. And I know the "human condition" can rear its head at anytime, so I flag my loaded weapons in the safe. Not all are, just a few. But every single magazine is loaded, and perched above or below the firearm it belongs to in the rack.

The only thing my wife needs access to the safe to is her P365 (unloaded with ready mags), and it's on a door rack. She never goes any further than that, and knows what the florescent flags mean. (Danger! Danger, Will Robinson!)

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Revolvers don't "go off" when dropped, either.

They can if they have an exposed hammer. Unusual and unlikely but it can happen. Depends on how old it is/design. Especially single action.

Semi-auto... I call bullshit on 'going off' . Unless the gun has been modified or it's a DIY and poorly assembled.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Here comes an argument about Israeli carry!

Israeli carry = you get shot first.

 

[Racer88]

I'm not going to be going into a case or safe to retrieve a firearm to use in an "emergency".

My pirmary HD guns are in a quick-access safe next to the bed. They are all loaded / chambered. Always. If I need one (or more) in an emergency, they are ready to go. If they need to be loaded, they are NOT ready to go. Some of the guns in the bigger safe are loaded, too.

I keep loaded mags in many of the cases so it would be a matter of popping a mag in and racking the slide/bolt.

Personal preference. Nothing wrong with that. I simply don't want to have to take the TIME to do that in an emergency.

As an RSO, you should know that one should keep a gun unloaded until ready to use. A gun in a holster or stashed in a toolbox or desk (for example) would be considered "ready to use".

Exactly. And my guns ARE "ready to use." That is the WHOLE point.

Of course, in the context of an RSO, that rule applies to the RANGE. Guns at home are a different animal.

A cased gun or one in a safe is not "ready to use", IMO...

I don't keep guns in cases, generally. Cases are for transporting guns. And yes.... a gun in a safe can absolutely be "ready to use." I don't leave my guns out unsecured. Either they're on me, or in some kind of a safe. A safe can have quick-access features. One of mine does.

That being said, one of the primary rules for handling a firearm is TREAT EVERY GUN AS IF IT IS LOADED UNTIL YOU CONFIRM IT'S UNLOADED.

Yep. So they might as well be loaded, eh? Like I said... not ALL of my guns are loaded. But many of them are. But they are otherwise reasonably secured.

They can if they have an exposed hammer. Unusual and unlikely but it can happen. Depends on how old it is/design. Especially single action.

Semi-auto... I call bullshit on 'going off' . Unless the gun has been modified or it's a DIY and poorly assembled.

With the exception of OLD single-action revolvers (think Colt SAA), nearly all revolvers have a transfer bar or hammer block that prevents them from firing when dropped while cocked. It's been an industry standard for many decades.

The story didn't happen as reported. It simply didn't. No matter which kind of gun it was (which they didn't say, of course). He shot himself as a result of a negligent discharge. Why admit he was stupid and careless when there was nobody to witness it, AND the general public is GULLIBLE enough (and thinks that Hollywood gun lore is real) to believe the bullshit story.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

With the exception of OLD single-action revolvers (think Colt SAA), nearly all revolvers have a transfer bar or hammer block that prevents them from firing when dropped while cocked. It's been an industry standard for many decades.

The story didn't happen as reported. It simply didn't. No matter which kind of gun it was (which they didn't say, of course). He shot himself as a result of a negligent discharge.

There are a ton of single action revolvers in market. Mostly cowboy guns. Those midget North American Arms, quite a few Rugers and others like Uberti, etc.

Agree the story is bullshit. Something pulled the trigger. Or the entire story is made up. Maybe his wife shot him for diddling the 19 year old nanny.

 

[Curmudgeon]

All of my guns are loaded with one exception, the single shot 223 in the back corner of the safe. All of my handguns are chambered along with the 12ga hanging on the safe door.
I feel as though if I were to keep them unloaded I may get complacent, forgetting to treat them as if they are and make a serious mistake. So if I know that they ARE loaded then I WILL treat them as such.

 

[Bobster]

I consider a "safe" to be a larger enclosure, not easily moved or carried around. I wouldn't consider a lockbox/Gunvault to be a safe so maybe there is a little confusion there?

 

[Racer88]

I consider a "safe" to be a larger enclosure, not easily moved or carried around. I wouldn't consider a lockbox/Gunvault to be a safe so maybe there is a little confusion there?

My rapid-access "safe" or "lock-box," if you will... is not a small "gunvault." Mine is big enough to hold half a dozen guns and then some, and it's bolted down. You can't move it unless you take the nightstand table with it.

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My other safe is a traditional Liberty safe (bolted to the floor). Both have loaded (and chambered) guns in them.

 

[GuitarmanNick]

First, no children ever come into my apartment so guns are not required to be locked up. No locks or boxes to hinder me getting to a firearm.

I used to keep a lot of guns with rounds in the cambers but have scaled back on that a bit.

Living in an apartment building, there is always the possibility some idiot causes a fire. Should that happen, my prime function will be to get me and my dog out, fast.

Chambered rounds could cook-off in a fire and present a real danger to first responders. I have tried to minimize that to a small degree.

That said, my three primary carry guns are kept in condition 1 or 2 at all times in their holsters. The only time I unload them is if they go to the range, or get cleaned.

The nightstand drawer contains a pistol rack with one .38 revolver that is kept loaded and ready for home defense, while the higher capacity semi-autos remain in condition 3. Spare mags and speed loaders are also easy to grab if needed.

Overall for my home conditions, this gives me ample options to select the right tool for the job without delays, or creating unnecessary hazards to first responders.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

First, no children ever come into my apartment so guns are not required to be locked up. No locks or boxes to hinder me getting to a firearm.

I used to keep a lot of guns with rounds in the cambers but have scaled back on that a bit.

Living in an apartment building, there is always the possibility some idiot causes a fire. Should that happen, my prime function will be to get me and my dog out, fast.

Chambered rounds could cook-off in a fire and present a real danger to first responders. I have tried to minimize that to a small degree.

That said, my three primary carry guns are kept in condition 1 or 2 at all times in their holsters. The only time I unload them is if they go to the range, or get cleaned.

The nightstand drawer contains a pistol rack with one .38 revolver that is kept loaded and ready for home defense, while the higher capacity semi-autos remain in condition 3. Spare mags and speed loaders are also easy to grab if needed.

Overall for my home conditions, this gives me ample options to select the right tool for the job without delays, or creating unnecessary hazards to first responders.

The way I read the law in NC is.... they dont explicitly say you have to lock the guns up. It says you are responsible if a minor gets his hands on your gun. That could be a burglar who is a minor, depending on how you (or a DA) interpret the law. It also applies if you allow someone who is intoxicated to gain access your gun. Some municipalities and counties do require guns be in a safe or have a trigger lock when stored. My county is not one of those.

 

[Racer88]

The way I read the law in NC is.... they dont explicitly say you have to lock the guns up. It says you are responsible if a minor gets his hands on your gun. That could be a burglar who is a minor, depending on how you (or a DA) interpret the law. It also applies if you allow someone who is intoxicated to gain access your gun. Some municipalities and counties do require guns be in a safe or have a trigger lock when stored. My county is not one of those.

NC is a lost state. Solidly blue now.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

NC is a lost state. Solidly blue now.

Nah. The state house and senate are republican. But tarheels keep electing democrat governors for reasons I cannot explain. Raleigh-Durham is chock full of transplanted Yankees. Like Atlanta.

 

[Racer88]

Nah. The state house and senate are republican. But tarheels keep electing democrat governors for reasons I cannot explain. Raleigh-Durham is chock full of transplanted Yankees. Like Atlanta.

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Well, if you painted CA or IL or even NY by county, they would appear "red," too. But they're not red. They're blue, just like NC, because of the high concentration of dems in the cities.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Well, if you painted CA or IL or even NY by county, they would appear "red," too. But they're not red. They're blue, just like NC, because of the high concentration of dems in the cities.

When it comes to state law, blue is far outnumbered in the statehouse. Trump carried NC but not by a huge margin. Virginia/DC/Maryland liberals have invaded north central NC. Most of that migration started with IBM and other tech companies populated the 'research triangle'. That's petty much dead now. More recently, it's aging boomers from mid-atlantic states looking for lower taxes in retirement but they bring their political baggage with them. Asheville and Winston-Salem is also liberal. Lots of Hippie spawn have landed there. The college towns have their share of young, clueless voters like everywhere else. Duke and UNC.

The most draconian gun law at the state level was in place for over a century. It was repealed by a GOP majority a couple of years ago. You had to get a handgun permit from your local sheriff. You had to be a person of good character. To get his signature. This was a veiled Jim Crow kind of thing to keep hand guns out of the hands of blacks. It didn't apply to long guns.

I haven't found the NC gun laws in any way unfair or unevenly enforced. It's mostly a rural state. Everybody I know owns guns.

 

[Racer88]

I haven't found the NC gun laws in any way unfair or unevenly enforced.

NC residents need a PERMIT to BUY a handgun.

I rest my case.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

NC residents need a PERMIT to BUY a handgun.

I rest my case.

That went away two years ago. Maybe three. 100+ year old law. If you had (or applied for) a conceal permit, it was not required.

 

[Racer88]

That went away two years ago. Maybe three. 100+ year old law. If you had (or applied for) a conceal permit, it was not required.

Hmmmm... still listed on websites about state gun laws.

In any case, good that it went away. So no "permit" or license of any kind to go buy a pistol?

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Hmmmm... still listed on websites about state gun laws.

In any case, good that it went away. So no "permit" or license of any kind to go buy a pistol?

None. You have to take a safety class to get a concealed carry permit. No NICS if you have a permit. You are supposed to declare you are armed if stopped but it’s not enforced.