I'd be more concerned with keeping your Bluetooth on. There's a REAL threat...
Credit card security and fraud
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Indeed. It was not designed to be secure and it isnt.
jerk yourself off all you like, safety is always an illusion.
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Ironic that paranoia is real. You want to debate security and safety with me too? You'll lose. Present some facts you didnt Google five minutes ago or shut the fuck up.
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You said it yourself, they have minutes in which to use the code. Meaning, it could be exploited.
It’s not really a sensible attack, and I’m sure you’re right it’s not happening.
I’m not implying people should cut up their cards, I just don’t think it’s sensible to say something is ever as secure as advertised.
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I'm not cutting up my cards. But I never ever EVER had fraud problems UNTIL the new "chip" cards. Now it's 2 - 3 times per year I have to shut down the card and get a new one. Big PITA. No exaggeration... before the new "more secure" cards came out, not once did I have a problem.
Coincidence? Perhaps.
Coincidence? Perhaps.
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Watch those gas stations, How to Spot a Credit Card Skimmer at Gas Pumps and Avoid Getting Scammed
At 0:06
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LnOw9wkGQGE
The times we've been "hacked" have been from vendor misuse/reuse/sharing card info. But the network is nationwide--got a call from the fraud dept: "Did you use your card at a restaurant in Albuquerque?" "umm, NOPE!". 
Be careful using a card in those Achmad convenience stores...
Be careful using a card in those Achmad convenience stores... 
In the past 10 years I have had my card number stollen 5 times buying stuff from CA online. Most of that came when buying computer stuff when I was building some for-home use. So today that I am building P80s I am very leery of buying anything from west or east coast. Oh got burned in NY too.
What worries me about buying gun stuff is when the government passes new gun laws that will make you a felon with a stroke of a pen. One day you fine the next you're on a list of felons for what you did when it was legal.
What worries me about buying gun stuff is when the government passes new gun laws that will make you a felon with a stroke of a pen. One day you fine the next you're on a list of felons for what you did when it was legal.
Call your credit card company once a year and tell them you lost the card. You get a new number. That doesn't make it impossible to track or trace your buying habits. But it does make it harder. If they are querying your individual sales records (which they are not unless you are a suspect of a crime) they start with gun related sales, sorted by number. They don't go by name because a lot of people have the same name.
Bear in mind that banks who issue credit cards do not commingle or conjoin their databases in any way. Credit reporting agencies summarize transactions from those databases. They are about tracking your spending and payment habits, not anything at the sales transaction level.
For those who lie awake at night worrying about who gives a shit what they (specifically) are buying, then I suggest legally changing your surname to one of the most common name in the USA: Smith, Johnson, Jones, Brown, Williams. First name? James or Mary is at the top. Move and get a change of address every three years and change your mobile number every two.
The funny thing is I have done nearly all of that but not on purpose. Except change my name. I moved 19 times in 25 years. My grocery store thinks my name is Mr. Potatohead. I never use my real birthday for anything if asked. And I frequently use Visa gift cards to buy ammo and occasionally a firearm.
I use VPN and a dedicated firewall. When I am not using my computer a bot of sorts randomly points my browser to thousands of web sites a day that I have no interest in. Anybody who succeeds in my efforts to foil their tracking will have one Hell of a time figuring out what my genuine interests are.
My second book, following the popular Why You Can't Get Laid: A Guide for Gen Y Men will be The Everyday Guide to Avoid the People You Imagine Are Watching You. There's money in paranoia.
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The times we've been "hacked" have been from vendor misuse/reuse/sharing card info. But the network is nationwide--got a call from the fraud dept: "Did you use your card at a restaurant in Albuquerque?" "umm, NOPE!".
"Yes sir, I received the letter stating my previously legally obtained 80% is now an unregistered firearm. You see, those darn burglars stole them and all the bang sticks I had. Couldn't stop them, nor understand them. They were speaking another language."
"Must've been the illegals. Im just happy to be alive! I apologize for you all coming for nothing."
"Honey, I'm going to go visit fido at his pet cemetery(definitely not where my guns are buried). Yes, fido, my dog, whom I love very much."
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Here’s a good one. Short version:
Two enterprising young men build a fake ATM kiosk that is branded using the logos of a popular bank in the area. They wheel this Trojan horse into the local mall and plug it in. It captures the card info off the mag strip (this was pre-chip times) and the entered pin. It gives the user a message that the ATM is out of cash. So people just get their card back and walk away.
The guys come back after a few days and haul it away. With the all the data needed to use the card numbers and pins.
Pretty clever for the times. This was mid 90s.
Two enterprising young men build a fake ATM kiosk that is branded using the logos of a popular bank in the area. They wheel this Trojan horse into the local mall and plug it in. It captures the card info off the mag strip (this was pre-chip times) and the entered pin. It gives the user a message that the ATM is out of cash. So people just get their card back and walk away.
The guys come back after a few days and haul it away. With the all the data needed to use the card numbers and pins.
Pretty clever for the times. This was mid 90s.
Yikes. I've never used a stand-alone / independent ATM "kiosk." I go to the bank to use the ATM.
I have seen them for sale in quantity at gun shows. Guy has a table with frames stacked 5 high in each color. Cash & Carry. This was 2 years ago, before all the injunctions.
Otherwise, get a Visa gift card using cash and use it to buy the frame on the net. More trouble, but privacy is never cheap.
In all the gun shows I've been to (the same show multiple times in recent years), I've only seen P80 frames for sale at one table, once. I don't recall the prices... I want to say $160... but the prices were a lot higher than online. Never saw them again after that.
I bought one at our local show. Price was on par with internet at that time if your figured in S&H. Had to pay sales tax of course, but more than worth it for no paper trail. If memory serves, at the time, internet price was $75ish, and show price was $90. Wish now I would have bought all he had... but who knew how the chips were gonna fall?
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Yeah, that's a good price. $15 difference is worth it. Not the case at my local show, the one time I saw them for sale.
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