Question Glock trigger replacement

[Polymer 80 addict]

So before I get to my question, I recently put a Taryn Tactical ultimate connector kit into my PF940C. Basically I now have about a 3 to 3.5 lbs trigger. I put holes through paper at my local gun range and I'm considering looking into shooting in a competition but might look into taking a class first. Everything I know about shooting stances etc is from YouTube but anyway.
I'd like to try a different trigger for my other PF940C. I Have no issues with OEM Glock triggers. I keep my edc the way I bought it from the store but I've watched videos about different Glock triggers and Johnny Glocks is pricey but supposedly he's the man. And I've watched videos reviewing Apex and Timney Alpha triggers etc. So my question is does anyone have any experience shooting aftermarket triggers that would make a recommendation? Also it has to be compatible with a PF940C pistol.
Thank you in advance.

 

[Mooner]

Everyone has a different idea of preferred triggers, some like rolling others like defined walls, some like flats others may like curves... etc. You may hate my preferred trigger setup, you may love it. Gotta try different setups before you find the one you like the best.

You can check out my trigger setup write-up here - Tip! - My goto trigger setup

I have Apex on my EDC, Apex connector has a rolling feel, swapped with OEM connector for a defined wall feel. Also had reduced power striker spring, had few light primer strikes on crappy ammo so back to OEM spring.

Johnny Glock's Ranger Proof on range toys is nice but I wouldn't buy them again for the price.

Tried Serpico, I think that's how it spelled... not my cup of tea, didn't like the feel, even though it is flat and metal.

Still have not tried Timmy or Glock Performance Trigger. Timmy mod is required to be a drop-safe, Glock Performance is basically drop-safe version of Timmy's trigger. Still, I do not have the desire to try them.

My preferred trigger setup NOW is Gen 5 trigger group with Johnny Glock OEM shoe with pre-travel adjustment ($22) with reduced power striker fire spring. I love the pre-travel adjustment, which pulls around 4.5lb to 5lb. It is an inexpensive solution for ME!

 

[Bobster]

A living/breathing human-instructed class would be money well spent especially if you are new to the hobby/sport. Do a search locally for someone that provides such instruction at an actual range with live ammo.

Safety is key when handling a firearm in "competition". Range officers will be there to enforce the rules of the range and of the competition. Muzzle sweeps past 180^ will get you DQ-ed for example. With development encroaching upon ranges, pointing your pistol higher than the berm is a big NO-NO and will get you a warning or DQ-ed.

Practice handling and mag changes at home with an EMPTY pistol. Dummy rounds come in handy for this. Put ammo/loaded mags in another room. Get in the habit of checking the loaded status of ANY pistol when picking it up or if someone hands it to you. EVEN if you just witnessed them unloading it, check it again... Get used to gripping the gun with your thumb and lower three fingers.

Make sure you have proper engagement of the striker upon the sear. There are recent posts and pics about it. Safety, safety, safety! Keep in mind that the more rounds you fire, the smoother the trigger will get--usually... A fancy trigger won't necessarily make you a better shooter...

 

[fast204]

Everyone has a different idea of preferred triggers, some like rolling others like defined walls, some like flats others may like curves... etc. You may hate my preferred trigger setup, you may love it. Gotta try different setups before you find the one you like the best.

You can check out my trigger setup write-up here - Tip! - My goto trigger setup

I have Apex on my EDC, Apex connector has a rolling feel, swapped with OEM connector for a defined wall feel. Also had reduced power striker spring, had few light primer strikes on crappy ammo so back to OEM spring.

Johnny Glock's Ranger Proof on range toys is nice but I wouldn't buy them again for the price.

Tried Serpico, I think that's how it spelled... not my cup of tea, didn't like the feel, even though it is flat and metal.

Still have not tried Timmy or Glock Performance Trigger. Timmy mod is required to be a drop-safe, Glock Performance is basically drop-safe version of Timmy's trigger. Still, I do not have the desire to try them.

My preferred trigger setup NOW is Gen 5 trigger group with Johnny Glock OEM shoe with pre-travel adjustment ($22) with reduced power striker fire spring. I love the pre-travel adjustment, which pulls around 4.5lb to 5lb. It is an inexpensive solution for ME!

Great way to put it. Performance is sometimes in the hands of the beholder. (Literally) I have a few revolvers that have exceptional triggers, the super Blackhawk 3 screw is one of the nicest I have felt, but I will outshoot that gun every day with my .22 ruger mkii with a bone stock trigger. I handle that gun as much as my edc and have gotten used to its feel, break point etc.
It's all what works for you.

 

[Shemp_Howard]

My two cents: prior to spending money on lessons or instructors, take what you’ve already learned from the professionals on social media…YouTube…Rumble…and go to an outdoor range or legal free land and shoot a shit ton of ammo to get real familiar with your firearm.

 

[Racer88]

A living/breathing human-instructed class would be money well spent especially if you are new to the hobby/sport. Do a search locally for someone that provides such instruction at an actual range with live ammo.

I agree with one additional comment.... even if you're NOT new to the hobby / sport... Private coaching / lessons will do a world of good for your skills. I've been shooting for decades. But in the past year, I've had 16 hours of professional instruction. And it made me a better shooter. Much better.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I prefer Apex over Timney in P80s. I put Timneys in my long guns for years. I've also never had a lick of trouble with Timneys in OEM Glocks but that is not the case with P80s. Apex, has been pretty much drop-in and hassle free on 80% pistols. Timney's support told me they don't support the P80. The Zev Fulcrum is well made also. I replaced the Timney with it and it's fine.

What everybody else said about training. Shop around and get referrals. There are a lot of nimrods calling themselves trainers. If the trainer makes a big deal about being an LEO, that's a red flag. Some cops are avid, skilled gun enthusiasts. But remember one out of three cops can't shoot worth a damn. The same goes for claims of Army expertise. One out of ten soldiers ever shoots a gun after basic training. In short, to learn how to compete effectively, seek out someone who wins matches. Forget the rest of their bio.

For defensive shooting, if you are really serious about it go to one of the several 'academies' like Gunsite in AZ, or try Glock or Sig training. Glock is in GA, and the Sig school is in NH. Both awesome. FTW Ranch in TX, Thunder Ranch in OR. There are others. Hopefully one of these is somewhere near you. It's not cheap. At the risk of being overdramatic... how much is your life worth? Simply carrying does not make you safe. Skill is what matters.

You mentioned this is all new, so I don't want to seem overly harsh... but I'd advise against lightening the trigger on the gun you stick in your pants. You only have one set of balls, or if you take a round to the inner thigh that could be your last six minutes on Earth. Under duress, you may inadvertently shoot a bystander. Then you go to prison. It's unnecessary and foolish. Don't do it.

 

[Racer88]

I'd advise against lightening the trigger on the gun you stick in your pants. You only have one set of balls, or if you take a round to the inner thigh that could be your last six minutes on Earth. Under duress, you may inadvertently shoot a bystander. Then you go to prison. It's unnecessary and foolish. Don't do it.

Another reason to not modify the trigger on your defensive firearms is to hedge your legal bets. Many legal experts advise against any trigger mods for defensive weapons.

 

[Polymer 80 addict]

Everyone has a different idea of preferred triggers, some like rolling others like defined walls, some like flats others may like curves... etc. You may hate my preferred trigger setup, you may love it. Gotta try different setups before you find the one you like the best.

You can check out my trigger setup write-up here - Tip! - My goto trigger setup

I have Apex on my EDC, Apex connector has a rolling feel, swapped with OEM connector for a defined wall feel. Also had reduced power striker spring, had few light primer strikes on crappy ammo so back to OEM spring.

Johnny Glock's Ranger Proof on range toys is nice but I wouldn't buy them again for the price.

Tried Serpico, I think that's how it spelled... not my cup of tea, didn't like the feel, even though it is flat and metal.

Still have not tried Timmy or Glock Performance Trigger. Timmy mod is required to be a drop-safe, Glock Performance is basically drop-safe version of Timmy's trigger. Still, I do not have the desire to try them.

My preferred trigger setup NOW is Gen 5 trigger group with Johnny Glock OEM shoe with pre-travel adjustment ($22) with reduced power striker fire spring. I love the pre-travel adjustment, which pulls around 4.5lb to 5lb. It is an inexpensive solution for ME!

That's a lot of variables to try out. I'll have to try some things and then give an update.

 

[Polymer 80 addict]

A living/breathing human-instructed class would be money well spent especially if you are new to the hobby/sport. Do a search locally for someone that provides such instruction at an actual range with live ammo.

Safety is key when handling a firearm in "competition". Range officers will be there to enforce the rules of the range and of the competition. Muzzle sweeps past 180^ will get you DQ-ed for example. With development encroaching upon ranges, pointing your pistol higher than the berm is a big NO-NO and will get you a warning or DQ-ed.

Practice handling and mag changes at home with an EMPTY pistol. Dummy rounds come in handy for this. Put ammo/loaded mags in another room. Get in the habit of checking the loaded status of ANY pistol when picking it up or if someone hands it to you. EVEN if you just witnessed them unloading it, check it again... Get used to gripping the gun with your thumb and lower three fingers.

Make sure you have proper engagement of the striker upon the sear. There are recent posts and pics about it. Safety, safety, safety! Keep in mind that the more rounds you fire, the smoother the trigger will get--usually... A fancy trigger won't necessarily make you a better shooter...

I'm aware of firearms safety. I'm a competent gun enthusiast. But yeah, there's a guy that does one on one lessons for $100 or $200 an hour. His name is John Correa. I've been wanting to get some real training. Not just standing and firing. Like drawing from the holster and firing and other stuff.

 

[Polymer 80 addict]

I prefer Apex over Timney in P80s. I put Timneys in my long guns for years. I've also never had a lick of trouble with Timneys in OEM Glocks but that is not the case with P80s. Apex, has been pretty much drop-in and hassle free on 80% pistols. Timney's support told me they don't support the P80. The Zev Fulcrum is well made also. I replaced the Timney with it and it's fine.

What everybody else said about training. Shop around and get referrals. There are a lot of nimrods calling themselves trainers. If the trainer makes a big deal about being an LEO, that's a red flag. Some cops are avid, skilled gun enthusiasts. But remember one out of three cops can't shoot worth a damn. The same goes for claims of Army expertise. One out of ten soldiers ever shoots a gun after basic training. In short, to learn how to compete effectively, seek out someone who wins matches. Forget the rest of their bio.

For defensive shooting, if you are really serious about it go to one of the several 'academies' like Gunsite in AZ, or try Glock or Sig training. Glock is in GA, and the Sig school is in NH. Both awesome. FTW Ranch in TX, Thunder Ranch in OR. There are others. Hopefully one of these is somewhere near you. It's not cheap. At the risk of being overdramatic... how much is your life worth? Simply carrying does not make you safe. Skill is what matters.

You mentioned this is all new, so I don't want to seem overly harsh... but I'd advise against lightening the trigger on the gun you stick in your pants. You only have one set of balls, or if you take a round to the inner thigh that could be your last six minutes on Earth. Under duress, you may inadvertently shoot a bystander. Then you go to prison. It's unnecessary and foolish. Don't do it.

My edc is a Glock 20 and it's all stock. I agree about messing with triggers with carry guns. My PF940C is for the range. But it's so cool what the Taran Tactical ultimate connector kit did for my trigger. My PF940C has an OEM trigger but now with the kit the connector is not OEM, the striker spring and the spring on the trigger housing. It's at about 3 and 1/2 lbs and it's so fun to shoot.
I'll have to look into gunsite AZ. I'd have to start saving money if I want to hop on any airplanes and if I'm getting on a plane I'd rather spend the money to fly to Columbia and go bang a 20 year old
No but really I appreciate the advice and especially about getting training from a shooter that wins matches. That sounds like a plan.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

The G20 is a lot of gun for EDC, but it seems to be gaining in popularity for that. You will never have to worry about stopping power! 10mm requires that you always look past your target though. The 10mm can more easily pass right thru the pink squishy stuff inside two-legged adversaries and land somewhere beyond. For all intents and purposes, it's a 40 magnum. Faster muzzle velocity than most 9mm, and hits harder as I'm sure you know.

My G20 Gen 5 is mainly a bear gun. I carry it in a Kenai chest rig. Traditionally my preference was for a 454 Casull wheel gun. Ruger Alaskan. But now that there are no grizzlies near me, I prefer the G20.

Are 20 year old Columbians on sale? Damn. I didn't get that email. She's not 20 but I'd still like to rent Sofia Vergara for one hour.

 

[Polymer 80 addict]

The G20 is a lot of gun for EDC, but it seems to be gaining in popularity for that. You will never have to worry about stopping power! 10mm requires that you always look past your target though. The 10mm can more easily pass right thru the pink squishy stuff inside two-legged adversaries and land somewhere beyond. For all intents and purposes, it's a 40 magnum. Faster muzzle velocity than most 9mm, and hits harder as I'm sure you know.

My G20 Gen 5 is mainly a bear gun. I carry it in a Kenai chest rig. Traditionally my preference was for a 454 Casull wheel gun. Ruger Alaskan. But now that there are no grizzlies near me, I prefer the G20.

Are 20 year old Columbians on sale? Damn. I didn't get that email. She's not 20 but I'd still like to rent Sofia Vergara for one hour.

What's beyond the target is always priority. I only shoot FMJ at the range. Are you familiar with Lehigh defense ammo? I've been looking into buying some for daily carry. Right now I carry a couple magazines of Liberty civil defense and Hornady critical duty

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I have used Lehigh ammo. Good stuff. Not in 10mm though... 9mm and .45. I am partial to the newer, solid copper and/or composite bullets like Lehigh, Underwood, ARX, NOVX, etc. Fort Scott's TUI is also a favorite. I have shot all of those and a few more in 10mm. Hardcasts as well, but the truth is, those rounds were designed for large game using big bore revolvers before 10mm semi-autos began to gain in popularity. I see no advantage or disadvantage to hardcast in a semi-auto.

It always pays to use the best possible ammo in a defensive handgun. What's best is very simple. It's all about the reliability of that ammo in your gun vs. bullet design. Beyond the ammo being dependable and running well in your pistol, shot placement is equally important. Those two factors trump everything else. Some enjoy making a science project out of bullets, but in a defensive scenario, most of the important aspects of target shooting don't apply. What matters is you are practiced in getting off two shots into the center mass of the bad guy before getting beaten, shot, or stabbed. The best ammo is the one that goes bang every time. Hollow points or solid copper 'spinners' are both designed to make a more grievous wound vs. FMJ through expansion or hydraulic pressure, respectively. The Fort Scott projectiles tumble on impact vs. spin (thus TUI). But if you are fast on the draw and can put two rounds in the 8-inch center mass, it doesn't make a huge difference what type of ammo you choose. Like I said... It just needs to go bang every time.

Paraphrasing an old axiom... Those who can do, those who can't spend all their time talking about it in the internets. Nearly all defensive shooting incidents happen at close range and involve only 2-3 shots.

On the subject of hollow points vs solid bullets... there isn't one that is significantly better. I like the solid copper because it's lighter and faster. It will also perform slightly better if you have to shoot through glass... like from inside a car. On the other hand, being solid and faster, it tends to penetrate more thru barriers like drywall, so you have to consider your environment. I also prefer lead-free. I shoot a lot on my property and the water table is very shallow. Many thousands of lead bullets each year adds up and lead will leach into the ground.

 

[Polymer 80 addict]

I have used Lehigh ammo. Good stuff. Not in 10mm though... 9mm and .45. I am partial to the newer, solid copper and/or composite bullets like Lehigh, Underwood, ARX, NOVX, etc. Fort Scott's TUI is also a favorite. I have shot all of those and a few more in 10mm. Hardcasts as well, but the truth is, those rounds were designed for large game using big bore revolvers before 10mm semi-autos began to gain in popularity. I see no advantage or disadvantage to hardcast in a semi-auto.

It always pays to use the best possible ammo in a defensive handgun. What's best is very simple. It's all about the reliability of that ammo in your gun vs. bullet design. Beyond the ammo being dependable and running well in your pistol, shot placement is equally important. Those two factors trump everything else. Some enjoy making a science project out of bullets, but in a defensive scenario, most of the important aspects of target shooting don't apply. What matters is you are practiced in getting off two shots into the center mass of the bad guy before getting beaten, shot, or stabbed. The best ammo is the one that goes bang every time. Hollow points or solid copper 'spinners' are both designed to make a more grievous wound vs. FMJ through expansion or hydraulic pressure, respectively. The Fort Scott projectiles tumble on impact vs. spin (thus TUI). But if you are fast on the draw and can put two rounds in the 8-inch center mass, it doesn't make a huge difference what type of ammo you choose. Like I said... It just needs to go bang every time.

Paraphrasing an old axiom... Those who can do, those who can't spend all their time talking about it in the internets. Nearly all defensive shooting incidents happen at close range and involve only 2-3 shots.

On the subject of hollow points vs solid bullets... there isn't one that is significantly better. I like the solid copper because it's lighter and faster. It will also perform slightly better if you have to shoot through glass... like from inside a car. On the other hand, being solid and faster, it tends to penetrate more thru barriers like drywall, so you have to consider your environment. I also prefer lead-free. I shoot a lot on my property and the water table is very shallow. Many thousands of lead bullets each year adds up and lead will leach into the ground.

That's some good points and interesting about the water table and lead. Good thinking.
I have shot at least a couple hundred rounds of Liberty Civil defense through my Glock 20 and it's been reliable 100%. Expensive to shoot at the range but like you said ya gotta make sure it's reliable. But the TUI type ammo and the whole hydrodilic fluid thing it does is fascinating to me. In the unfortunate event of a self defense situation I guess shot placement and reliability are what counts.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

That's some good points and interesting about the water table and lead. Good thinking.
I have shot at least a couple hundred rounds of Liberty Civil defense through my Glock 20 and it's been reliable 100%. Expensive to shoot at the range but like you said ya gotta make sure it's reliable. But the TUI type ammo and the whole hydrodilic fluid thing it does is fascinating to me. In the unfortunate event of a self defense situation I guess shot placement and reliability are what counts.

Indeed that's true. You have less than two seconds to assess the threat and act and it's all over except for the smoke in the air in 10 seconds.

Sometimes folks in forums dwell on the possibility of an active shooter. It's a different situation than self-defense. It's more of an offensive strategy than a defensive one. Taking cover, moving, longer shots, not shooting innocent bystanders... whole 'nuther thing. Not to mention the likelihood of that happening is on par with a plane crash or being hit by lightning.

There's a lot of ballistic gel tests that show how the solid copper or composite bullets perform and the wound cavity they create. It is interesting for sure. As callous as it seems, the bigger the wound, the better. Especially if no vital organs are hit. It takes six minutes for a bad guy to bleed out. That's if a major artery is cut. Hitting the heart, trachea, spine, lungs ... that's disabling. Thus the focus on hitting that 8-inch circle of the center mass. Or the melon. Instant neurological failure. But headshots are far more difficult under duress.

 

[Bobster]

It takes six minutes for a bad guy to bleed out. That's if a major artery is cut. Hitting the heart, trachea, spine, lungs ... that's disabling. Thus the focus on hitting that 8-inch circle of the center mass. Or the melon. Instant neurological failure. But headshots are far more difficult under duress.

If all you have is a low shot, femoral arteries can bleed out fairly quick... And no one likes getting shot in the dick!

 

[Bongo Lewi]

If all you have is a low shot, femoral arteries can bleed out fairly quick... And no one likes getting shot in the dick!

The heart pumps about a quart a minute. Once you are down a couple of quarts you start getting light headed.

I agree a shot to the twig and berries is underrated.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Here's the skinny on all the Lehigh defense rounds. A ballistic gel test of their solid, expanding, and fragmenting rounds.

View: https://youtu.be/0AEbCGx8WNQ
Standing on the wrong end of the muzzle with any of these rounds is going to be the start of a bad day.

 

[svt-bansheeman]

might look into taking a class first

I took a class and it was far better by miles than anything else. But maybe you already are far more advance than me. It seems most here are.