Optics on carry pistols??

Many of us here are "men and women of a certain age." Those who aren't... aren't far behind us! Read on!

MRDS (micro red dot sights) have been gaining in popularity. Yet, some of us cling to the old school, proven, low-tech ways. I totally get it. Part of the fundamentals of marksmanship is the use of iron sights... learning sight alignment and sight picture. I still think it's VERY important. And I will never give up iron sights entirely.

HOWEVER....

There are some significant advantages for pistol-mounted reflex sights.
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First... those of us whose eyes have aged and need "readers" (aka presbyopia), have noticed that we can't focus on that front iron sight very well. I have resorted to getting some "top focal" eye pro, which have a "bifocal" magnifying lens at the TOP of the lens on my dominant eye. I change the lens on the left side to a "bottom focal." That helps with any administrative firearms handling at the range bench.
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And, it works a CHARM! At the range. I highly recommend them. But, what about out in the "wild?" I wont' be wearing my top focal glasses, eh?

"Dot" optics don't require corrective lenses. In fact, they go blurry with readers.

Here's the other BIG advantage: "Dog forbid" you're ever forced to defend yourself "in the wild," the MRDS allows for a "threat-focused" sight picture. Both eyes open. Focused on the target. Super easy and very intuitive. Just superimpose the dot over the target.

Consider the time it takes to shift your point of focus from the target / threat to your front sight, even if you have "good eyes." With a "red / green dot," there's no shifting. You focus on the threat and STAY focused on the threat.

Caveat: I am also trained in "point" or "instinctive" shooting. At close distances, I won't likely be using sights at all. But, that's ANOTHER whole discussion, mmm-kay?

The only "trick" of the whole thing with MRDSes is getting used to "finding the dot."

Ah... but, here's another thing: You don't want to "find the dot." That's right. If you have to look for it, precious fractions of a second are ticking away in a SHTF moment. No bueno!

The KEY is to present the gun consistently such that the dot finds you. It's just there. Every time. You bring the gun up, and there's the dot. You learned how to do it with iron sights. You can learn how to do it with an MRDS.

This takes some practice. But, I promise you will get there, and it will happen faster than you think.

That said... Holosun has come out with a new reticle callled "Vulcan ACSS." It's pretty slick. It projects a LARGE outer ring that isn't there if the "dot" is in the center of the field of view. But, if you're "off," the edge of the circle shows up in the sight window and tells you which way you need to correct the orientation.
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I've got one of these new Holosun sights (with green reticle) on the way for my new P80 "EDC" build. You'll notice that it has a chevron rather than a dot. We'll see how I like that!

I've got two other MRDSes in my "stable." I mounted the "gold standard" Trijicon RMR (RM07) on my home defense FNP-45T years ago. It has a 6.5-MOA dot.
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More recently, I put one on my first P80 build, a G34 clone intended as a range toy. This is the Holosun HE507C-GR X2. It has a 2-MOA GREEN dot. I like the green color better, I think.
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But, this will be the first time I put one on a carry piece. This Polymer80 PFC9 G19-clone:
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As my eyes have changed, I am experiencing a newfound appreciation for MRDS optics. But, I also appreciate the ability to stay threat-focused even as I transition from instinctive to sighted fire.
 
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You are correct, sir. For example; from inside my shop, looking towards bright daylight outside - there's not enough ambient light to illuminate the plastic fiber optic rods strongly enough to contrast against the brighter target/ background.

This doesn't render the pistol inoperable, rather, it presents more as blacked-out iron sights with goal post rear/ post front - which may come as a surprise if you're looking for the green dot(s). I am seriously considering pulling my front sight and applying a high contrast paint around the fiber optic in order to help the front sight stand out in such situation.

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I have the TFO on a few of mine and have a similar the same thing when sighting from my workshop out into the rest of the basement. Not a showstopper, but noticeable. Not sure that the Trijicon tritium fares any better under similar conditions.
 

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Here’s those two pics…(outdoors) it was darker outside than the picture illustrates…View attachment 9019View attachment 9020

Those pics were taken just after 5pm here in the PNW two days ago, and it was much darker than my iPhone rendered the images. The only post-processing was cropping, and nothing else.

I haven’t had your experience but I have a hard time thinking they will more or less “wash out” as you seem to describe, as the Tritium in these that backlight the FO vials is pretty hearty. These sights are about a year old. As always, YMMV
I may not have explained clearly - I'm not referring to being in low or diminishing light such as outside in the open. I'm referring to being in a dimly lit area, looking into a more brightly lit area - and with the pistol held at firing position.
I have the TFO on a few of mine and have a similar the same thing when sighting from my workshop out into the rest of the basement. Not a showstopper, but noticeable. Not sure that the Trijicon tritium fares any better under similar conditions.
Agreed - not a show stopper, just a heads up that these situations could readily change the expected sight picture. The Trijicon/ factory GLOCK nightsights that have the white circle surrounding the tritium vial are highlighted for this exact situation - not dark enough for tritium to be effective/ visible.

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Very interesting, brothers. Thanks! Maybe not coincidentally, the sights I have coming for the new slide are NOT the TFO's (for future RDS reasons) but they are tritium surrounded by a highlighted circle...white rear, orange/red front (and it seems to be pretty bright) we'll see how they look to the necked eye when they arrive in a few days. Cheers!
 
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Yesterday I was checking-out the Amerglo IDOT sights that I'd recently installed. The front blade has the fluorescent RED/ORANGE circle surrounding the tritium vial; the rear sight has a single (narrow) white circle surrounding its tritium vial.

Thinking about the comments above in this thread regarding sight issue while transitioning from low to bright light situations while sitting at my worktable and the sunlit day was streaming into the room, I sighted towards the window and yup, the brightness washed-out all but the profile of the irons themselves. Thought the iron sight profile was ultra-clear, I could not see either the red front circle or the rear white circle surrounds of the tritium vials, respectively.

Fortunately, the front blade is just slim enough to as to allow the background & light show the blade as clearly defined in the rear iron "U" channel for alignment. I'm not sure what the answer would be except perhaps some bigger white dots ala Glock OEM sights (if one wants to see dots). And maybe that front sight's width that doesn't fill the rear sight picture, is all you need. I certainly didn't have a problem seeing them and properly aligning them. YMMV.
 
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