Proposed West Virginia Legislation Allowing Distribution of Machine Guns

[Bongo Lewi]

My BIL went to a range in Las Vegas while attending a trade show. The range had an assortment of automatic weapons you can rent. Expensive, but if you just gotta get your nut off that may be a better way to do it. Or enlist.

 

[Racer88]

But if you are a civilian it is simply for jerking off.

 

[Racer88]

My BIL went to a range in Las Vegas while attending a trade show. The range had an assortment of automatic weapons you can rent. Expensive, but if you just gotta get your nut off that may be a better way to do it. Or enlist.

Even if you enlist, your chances of firing full-auto are VERY low.

My son, the Marine, went through some special / extra training because of his job and got to fire on 3-rd burst. But even in Marine Combat Training (MCT) they don't do that. They would get in big trouble if they did.

 

[serger]

The most fun for me was trying to just get 2 shots per trigger pull.
This was with a Colt 653. As far as mag dumps go, after a couple,
it's the boring "rounds on target" that count.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Even if you enlist, your chances of firing full-auto are VERY low.

My son, the Marine, went through some special / extra training because of his job and got to fire on 3-rd burst. But even in Marine Combat Training (MCT) they don't do that. They would get in big trouble if they did.

The conventional wisdom is about 10% of enlisted ever shoot a rifle again after basic training. Marine Corps may be different since even the cooks in the Marines are rifleman. Whatever the case, shooting full auto is for marines and soldiers in a forward area. Or SOCOM, Seals, etc. Obviously special teams, recon, etc get some training that others do not. I'm not surprised to hear what you said about your son's training. Doing mag dumps is a civilian pastime for guys that like to play Army and can afford it. It's fun to go Rambo at least once but it's very expensive. And hard on the gun.


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[no4mk1t]

It's fun to go Rambo at least once but it's very expensive. And hard on the gun.

This is why belt fed MG's have stellite lined chambers and a few inches of the bore.

Chrome bores resist erosion well, but sooner or later the chrome starts to flake.

The military has what is called a "throat gage", or "Breech Bore Gage".
A new barrel will gage between 0 and 1. Each line on the gage is approximately 1K rounds of wear of combined slow fire and rapid fire. Rapid fire causes faster wear than slow fire.

My issued M14 got a new barrel in 1993. I put a documented 4500 rounds through that barrel before transitioning to the AR in 1998. For the 600 yd. Slow Fire stage, I would use a tool to determine COAL when the bullet contacted the rifling and set the seater die to seat it .020 deeper than that. When I would load 600 yd. ammo again, I'd take a new reading and adjust according. By the time I turned the rifle in, a 175 SMK was out of the case before it contacted the rifling. In NRA High Power, half the rounds on the 80 shot course of fire are rapid fire. 10 shots, brief break for target scoring, 10 more shots. So not as abusive to the barrel as a 30 shot magdump, but still too hot to touch.

As BL says, F/A is fun. Do it once and get it out of your system. F/A is a rich man's game unless you're talking 22LR.

 

[Racer88]

The conventional wisdom is about 10% of enlisted ever shoot a rifle again after basic training. Marine Corps may be different since even the cooks in the Marines are rifleman.

In the Marine Corps, 100% will fire a rifle at least once a year (annual qualification) throughout their enlistment.

Doing mag dumps is a civilian pastime for guys that like to play Army and can afford it. It's fun to go Rambo at least once but it's very expensive. And hard on the gun.

Agree. But we should be able to own them, nevertheless. Practicality, justification, and affordability are UTTERLY irrelevant.

 

[Bobster]

The TeXas-22 with FaRTy trigger does something like 1900rpm! So maybe potential as a close-quarter annoyance weapon? If one could keep it on target that is 22rds x 40gr = 880grs. Certainly not inconsequential! Better off shooting just ONE aimed 40gr at their neck.
But at the range it gets boring after a couple mags...

 

[brian]

I'd suggest getting an FRT or a binary trigger and call it a day.

On that track already. I picked up the Franklin Armory set up for a G17 from PSA a few weeks ago when it was on clearance. So far I can only get it to misbehave (i.e. not perform well even in single shot mode). Will work on it more as I get time. When/if I get it functioning properly I don't see blasting mag after mag out of it all the time.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

On that track already. I picked up the Franklin Armory set up for a G17 from PSA a few weeks ago when it was on clearance. So far I can only get it to misbehave (i.e. not perform well even in single shot mode). Will work on it more as I get time. When/if I get it functioning properly I don't see blasting mag after mag out of it all the time.

There's a set up upgrade springs for the Franklin that perform a lot better. It did for me anyway. That was the AR though.

The Franklin Glock system... I havent tried it. I thought about it but you know what turned me off? The goofy roll mark on the slide. I also have a mental block when it comes to conversions. They are usually a pain in the ass. I get that upgrading a trigger or some other part is almost the same thing but I just cant get past my distrust and rejection of conversion kits.

I'm interested in how it goes with your Franklin kit though. I agree it's OK for the occasional range mag dump but has no practical use in everyday carry.

 

[rationale]

Practicality, justification, and affordability are UTTERLY irrelevant.

Tattoo this on the inside of Gaggin' Gruesome and Krusty Hoe-chul's eyelids.

I do think developments like this are a natural consequence of the democrat states' flaunting of federal laws viz immigration and dope. We'll see more and more of these types of probing maneuvers as time goes on.

 

[rationale]

Killed by the establishment.

West Virginia Senate President Kills Machine Gun Bill

West Virginia Senate Bill 1071, commonly referred to as the "Machine Gun Bill," will not proceed in the current legislative session.

www.ammoland.com

 

[Racer88]

Killed by the establishment.

West Virginia Senate President Kills Machine Gun Bill

West Virginia Senate Bill 1071, commonly referred to as the "Machine Gun Bill," will not proceed in the current legislative session.

www.ammoland.com

Machine guns coming off the NFA list (or abolishing the NFA) are even less likely than suppressors and SBRs coming off the list. And even those are NEVER going to happen.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Killed by the establishment.

West Virginia Senate President Kills Machine Gun Bill

West Virginia Senate Bill 1071, commonly referred to as the "Machine Gun Bill," will not proceed in the current legislative session.

www.ammoland.com

what a shocker. not.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

full auto/machine guns are never going to be easier to own. ever. those who believe this … maybe give the bong a rest.



There’s a guy at one of the ranges I go to now and then. I dread running into him in the lounge because he is so obsessed with government overreach he comes across as unhinged. If you encourage him he will go off on a jag about how he doesnt give a shit what the government says and has to wipe the drool off his chin after ranting about the NFA, BATFE, communists in Raleigh or whatever else he’s permanently pissed off about.

If this Kaczynski-like dude turns up missing at the range I will assume the stress from his serious persecution complex led him to a stroke. Or he's landed himself in prison.

 

[rationale]

Uphill battle to be sure. But I'm not so pessimistic. Just look at the progress constitutional carry has made.

 

[FrankenGlock]

Iron is hot! Too bad Trump is a fake 2A supporter.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Many will disagree but my opinion is that removing the requirement for permits can and does lead to untrained individuals carrying firearms, thereby increasing the risks associated with mishandling weapons. It’s like allowing children to operate a vehicle as long as their foot can reach the gas pedal - and eliminating all drivers licenses.

If a sweeping law ever manages to pass Federally, eliminating permits nationwide, I believe that carrying a firearm is exposed to the whim of the next liberal majority. Never give the Feds power to ‘allow' anything.

The NRA has championed universal carry for years and I think that is a major fuckup. What and how someone carries is best managed at the state and local level. Go to a range and watch the morons who chose to get no training or instruction of any kind. The good news is that most of these booger eaters and bed wetters get bored and put the gun in the top shelf of their closet until their wife makes them sell ti.

 

[Racer88]

Many will disagree but my opinion is that removing the requirement for permits can and does lead to untrained individuals carrying firearms, thereby increasing the risks associated with mishandling weapons. It’s like allowing children to operate a vehicle as long as their foot can reach the gas pedal - and eliminating all drivers licenses.

If a sweeping law ever manages to pass Federally, eliminating permits nationwide, I believe that carrying a firearm is exposed to the whim of the next liberal majority. Never give the Feds power to ‘allow' anything.

The NRA has championed universal carry for years and I think that is a major fuckup. What and how someone carries is best managed at the state and local level. Go to a range and watch the morons who chose to get no training or instruction of any kind. The good news is that most of these booger eaters and bed wetters get bored and put the gun in the top shelf of their closet until their wife makes them sell ti.

I'll disagree... of course! LOL! There shouldn't be any permits to removed. The comparison to driving a car on public roads (with a license) falls flat, because that's not a Constitutionally-protected Right.

Permits and licenses to exercise our 2A Rights is no different than the notion of requiring a permit or license to exercise and assert ANY and ALL of our other Constitutionally-protected Rights... whether it be the 1A, 3A, 4A, 5A, 8A, or 14A. None of those require a permit, nor should they.

TRUE Freedom can be uncomfortable. Some people will abuse it. It's human nature. But either we have Rights and Freedom... or we don't. If we have it, then THEY (the bad guys) have it and may abuse it. The idea that we should sacrifice our Rights and Freedom in pursuit of a DELUSIONAL sense of "safety" is a Fool's Errand.

To paraphrase / quote Thomas Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery."

Also Jefferson: "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it."

 

[Bobster]

Many will disagree but my opinion is that removing the requirement for permits can and does lead to untrained individuals carrying firearms...

I believe this is a TRUE statement and not just with guns, but many other activities such as riding a motorcycle or driving a car. All of these activities can be more dangerous to self or bystanders if the one doing it is untrained. But 2A absolutists will scream "Owning a gun is a right and the others are only privileges!" and I agree. But life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are rights that should also not be infringed by un-trained/un-safe gunowners.

I DO think carry across state lines should be effortless and not "illegal". Of course, states like CA and NY will have their own "rules" as to mag cap and gun selection but at least you won't be an instant criminal in certain states for having a revolver in the center console of your car.

Apparently ex-cops with 10+ years of service can already conceal carry in all 50 states. I was talking with an ex-cop at the range last week about this. He had only put in 7yrs so was not able to take advantage of this but mentioned that the ex-cop has to re-qualify every year to retain this "privilege". But this does not preclude the officer from having to follow state law as mentioned above.

I'd like to see a minimum of training for one to own (and carry if they want) a firearm. Back 35yrs ago in RI, they required you go to a park ranger station to take a 20Q very basic written test to get a "firearms purchase card". We called it a "Blue Card" because it was blue. (duh) I don't believe they kept records and if you lost the card you would have to take the test again. RI is small and one was never more than 45min away from a testing location (ranger shack). I couldn't tell you what RI does now, probably a rectal exam and blood test...

But I'll stop at the point where a test should be "mandatory". I WOULD like to see an ad campaign encouraging gun safety education and maybe that would increase voluntary training.