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Racer88 said:
What if you make multiple single purchases within a short period of time?
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FFLs tend to stay away from that. I have been told several times that you should wait a week. On the other hand, if you use multiple FFL's that's probably a better approach. If the FFL gets audited, it could give the appearance they are circumventing the multiple purchase rule. Not worth losing their license over.

I can't call a time when I absolutely needed to buy more than one at the same time. But I have maybe a couple of times in the past 20 years.
 
Bobster said:
Too many out there with delusions of grandeur... :rolleyes: That said, I'm almost certain there's a satellite camera pointed at my backyard with pictures of me skinny-dipping soon to be released all over the web!
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If it's not posted someplace it didnt happen :)
 
Bongo Lewi said:
FFLs tend to stay away from that. I have been told several times that you should wait a week. On the other hand, if you use multiple FFL's that's probably a better approach. If the FFL gets audited, it could give the appearance they are circumventing the multiple purchase rule. Not worth losing their license over.

I can't call a time when I absolutely needed to buy more than one at the same time. But I have maybe a couple of times in the past 20 years.
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Ha! Yeah... I haven't bought multiples, mainly for financial reasons! LOL! Otherwise, I'd be like, "I'll take one of everything!" ;)

But I wonder if the guy who buys several guns within a year gets on anyone's radar?
 
I buy multiple pistol frames without any parts in them, 4473 considers this an "other" for a transfer and not a pistol.
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Never had any issues buying 2-3-4 then bulding
 
k3nny173 said:
I buy multiple pistol frames without any parts in them, 4473 considers this an "other" for a transfer and not a pistol.
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Never had any issues buying 2-3-4 then bulding
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Doesn’t matter. The 3310 form is still sent to the Men in Black same day.

The bottom line is multiple purchases are monitored. Single purchases are not. What people buying guns do is up to them. The point here is understanding how the system works.
 
k3nny173 said:
I buy multiple pistol frames without any parts in them, 4473 considers this an "other" for a transfer and not a pistol.
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You sure about that? I thought a serialized frame was treated as THE gun. I'm pretty sure the serialized frames I got through an FFL were exactly the same as if I had bought a factory Glock pistol. Of course that's my assumption and I could be wrong. :)
 
My regular FFL is an interesting guy, he is not a huge fan of government in general.

I can say yes 100%, all the serialized stripped frames I have bought are marked OTHER on the 4473

Virginia has a law that you can only buy 1 'pistol' every 30 days (unless you have a CCW, in which case he has to include your CCW # on the purchase), so we had a whole discussion about serilzed frames and how they do not count as a pistol, and how they are marked other on the 4473. I have never given him my CCW # for any purchase. I have only bought single complete pistols, but have bought mutliples of serialized frames many times.

He said many FFLs do stripped frames wrong on the 4473 and mark them as a pistol.

I never asked him about serialized frames and the 3310, but I might buy another frame this week, still debating, I will aski him the next time I see him.

In the end I don't care what forms go where. I have a whole separate form here in VA that goes to the VA state police about my purchases. Its like a state 4473, it is named the Virginia Firearms Transaction Record

I have no illusions of privacy, and am sure I am on watch lists just because I buy guns and ammo.
 
k3nny173 said:
Virginia has a law that you can only buy 1 'pistol' every 30 days (unless you have a CCW, in which case he has to include your CCW # on the purchase), so we had a whole discussion about serilzed frames and how they do not count as a pistol, and how they are marked other on the 4473. I have never given him my CCW # for any purchase. I have only bought single complete pistols, but have bought mutliples of serialized frames many times.
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Here, we show our CCW license to avoid the 5-day waiting period. But that's it. It's not recorded on the 4473, and there are no other forms that go to the state or local gov't.

k3nny173 said:
I have a whole separate form here in VA that goes to the VA state police about my purchases. Its like a state 4473, it is named the Virginia Firearms Transaction Record
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Wow.
 
k3nny173 said:
My regular FFL is an interesting guy, he is not a huge fan of government in general.

I can say yes 100%, all the serialized stripped frames I have bought are marked OTHER on the 4473

Virginia has a law that you can only buy 1 'pistol' every 30 days (unless you have a CCW, in which case he has to include your CCW # on the purchase), so we had a whole discussion about serilzed frames and how they do not count as a pistol, and how they are marked other on the 4473. I have never given him my CCW # for any purchase. I have only bought single complete pistols, but have bought mutliples of serialized frames many times.

He said many FFLs do stripped frames wrong on the 4473 and mark them as a pistol.

I never asked him about serialized frames and the 3310, but I might buy another frame this week, still debating, I will aski him the next time I see him.

In the end I don't care what forms go where. I have a whole separate form here in VA that goes to the VA state police about my purchases. Its like a state 4473, it is named the Virginia Firearms Transaction Record

I have no illusions of privacy, and am sure I am on watch lists just because I buy guns and ammo.
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My understanding is the intent of 'other' is for stripped lowers for guns that have not yet been defined as one type or another. A handgun lower is a handgun. It cannot be made into something else. Other is intended to identify a receiver/lower that has yet to be defined as a component of pistol, shotgun, or long gun. As in not built yet. This does not apply to handgun frames.

It probably isnt a big deal if you dont buy more than one pistol frame at a time. If you do, and there's no 3310, that could become a serious problem and also a state law violation. For him certainly. For you, maybe. Best to not poke the bear.

The upcoming SCOTUS ruling may make all this moot. Or not. I'm pretty sure it's going to stand that stripped pistol frames are guns and must be serialized. Unless they are the type that accepts a modular fire control unit that is serialized.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
My understanding is the intent of 'other' is for stripped lowers for guns that have not yet been defined as one type or another.
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From some internet searching I have done, this is correct

PLUS the stripped pistol frames are also considered other, because they do not meet the defniton of a pistol.

Also looks like in VA the multiple purchase of stripped frames is also not considered a pistol by definition to require the CCW for the state form.

Looks like I am good

I ordered another serialized frame a few minutes ago, will ask my FFL next week
He has been the most knowledable FFL I have ever run into, I am not worried about poking the bear.
 
I hope you are right.

My wife rarely dispenses advice to anyone. Except she tells her friends to not hire the hot 22 year old nanny who thinks your husband is awesome and laughs at his dumb jokes. Because lots of men find it difficult to not shit where they eat. The moral of this story is it is easy to embrace those who tell you what you want to hear. We are all guilty of it.

It's an interesting topic. I think your FFL is interpreting the issue the way he wants it to be vs. how it is. Now I'm curious on what a legal interpretation of the rule might be. Paraphrasing O.W. Holmes, the man who gets legal advice from the internet has a fool for a lawyer. :)

Regarding serialization and SCOTUS, I hope @Racer88 is right and the spirit of the Bruen decision will influence the courts opinion. I am not optimistic. The simple question is... is the basic foundation for a handgun, the frame, manufactured specifically for the purpose of being a pistol a firearm or not? I believe the ruling will be that it is. Whether I like that ruling or not is another matter. I just think that's how it plays out. The other related and important issue is does serialization of firearms and all that entails infringe. If it does, the entire system of firearm regulation could be declared unconstitutional. NICS, NFA, GCA, federal forms, the whole shootin' match if you will pardon the pun. No one can smoke enough dope to believe that's going to happen.
 
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PaulusInIA said:
IS there anyone that still has legit P80 frames, serialized or other?
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Yep. But they fetch a pretty penny now.

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PaulusInIA said:
IS there anyone that still has legit P80 frames, serialized or other?
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