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[Bongo Lewi]

Do you have a laser / light on your Shockwave?

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I do. Almost identical setup. Combo light/laser. Most of the Defender Tactical upgrades incl short shell adapter. I prefer the Magpul forend/grip.

I also have a Remington V3 TAC13. Semi auto. 5 rounds in about 3 seconds. That's a recipe for someone having a bad day. For obvious reasons it has a round in the chamber with the safety on. It's in a hidden enclosure in a different part of the house.

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Just in case, there's a fully loaded KSG bullpup stowed near the back door in a fire extinguisher enclosure. I frosted the glass so you can't see it. Also nothing in the pipe.

BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF ZOMBIES

7 slugs and 7 00 buck means 14 rounds of hellfire. A pound of lead in the air in under ten seconds. You flip a lever with your thumb to switch magazines on the fly. Slugs in one, 00 buck in the other.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Kids in the house.... the guns have to be locked up. Even the most well balanced, respectful and straight A student is prone to making bad decisions. Because they are kids. Or their friends. I don't have that to worry about and on the rare occasion kids visit our home, everything is on lockdown.

The main reason for the shottie not having a round chambered is we have three dogs that are goofballs who have knocked it out of it's wall mount a couple of times and I don't want to be shot in the head because a squeaky toy went under the bed. I dont have a lot of faith in the safety on the Shockwave. It's very easy to switch off with a bump or when grabbing the gun. Besides, the time penalty to rack the slide is insignificant.

 

[Racer88]

I dont have a lot of faith in the safety on the Shockwave. It's very easy to switch off with a bump or when grabbing the gun. Besides, the time penalty to rack the slide is insignificant.

I won't argue that (empty chamber for safety reasons during unlocked storage). But I stand by my comment regarding racking for the purpose of "intimidation" of the bad guy.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I won't argue that (empty chamber for safety reasons during unlocked storage). But I stand by my comment regarding racking for the purpose of "intimidation" of the bad guy.

Well... when you combine that with a laser, my creepy voice saying "I'm gonna getcha" and "I can smell you" the sound of a shotgun cocking is pretty scary. I guess you'd have to be there.

 

[One Ping Only]

Well... when you combine that with a laser, my creepy voice saying "I'm gonna getcha" and "I can smell you" the sound of a shotgun cocking is pretty scary. I guess you'd have to be there.

Uhh maybe he SHOULDN'T be there.... just sayin'

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Uhh maybe he SHOULDN'T be there.... just sayin'

There is a methodology for scaring the shit out of your adversary. The objective being to motivate them to run or surrender. Or in some cases become agitated and foolishly expose themselves to being neutralized. Not the kind of thing you can get trained on at a gun range. . With very few exceptions everyone, even violent offenders, are afraid of injury, pain or death.

The most obvious tactic is overwhelming force, which can be personnel, weaponry or both. It's obvious they have no chance. There are three outcomes: 1. surrender; 2. attack and be killed; 3. commit suicide. This is fundamental to SWAT or other types of special teams do.

The other is purely psychological. The perp or adversary believes you are crazier and more cruel than they are. Criminals.... especially the sociopathic and psychopathic are terrified of being subjected to the indifference or cruelty they impose on others. Putting it simply, this is Chapter 1 in Terrorism for Dummies, which I'm pretty sure will not be available at Barnes and Noble for Amazon Books anytime soon.

It's not likely anyone will write an article on this for American Rifleman or Guns and Ammo on the subject of home defense. Because the editors and writers and readers are mostly average Americans. Nice people.

 

[bkbrno]

G Gordan Liddy was advising a caller of the best home defense weapon. He suggested a pump shotgun. He said, based on talking to real criminals while he was doing his time, they all feared the pump shotgun. They knew the distinct sound the slide made and they knew they were dead if they didn't get the hell out of there. Liddy added that if a criminal continues towards you after hearing the slide rack, they are intent on killing you so shoot first. The smart criminals ran and ran fast.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

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G Gordan Liddy was advising a caller of the best home defense weapon. He suggested a pump shotgun. He said, based on talking to real criminals while he was doing his time, they all feared the pump shotgun. They knew the distinct sound the slide made and they knew they were dead if they didn't get the hell out of there. Liddy added that if a criminal continues towards you after hearing the slide rack, they are intent on killing you so shoot first. The smart criminals ran and ran fast.

Funny you should mention Liddy. He told this story to a journalist and as I recall also mentioned it in his book. It's aligns with what I said about creating fear. In another mention of this story elsewhere he said, "The tables were turned. I knew then the rats were afraid of me".

The lesson is... don't mess with a guy that says things like this. No matter whose side he is on. Liddy chose prison over ratting out Nixon. Determination. Balls, Loyalty. And a little bit nuts.

 

[Alex]

Supposedly shotguns are not drop safe, this would be a really good reason to not leave one in the chamber unless you are ready to shoot.

Shotgun world seems like a whole different place. Some of the old codgers I shoot clays with put the muzzle of their o/u on their shoe to break it open, a couple of them even have a leather pad threaded into their shoelaces as a muzzle rest.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Supposedly shotguns are not drop safe, this would be a really good reason to not leave one in the chamber unless you are ready to shoot.

Shotgun world seems like a whole different place. Some of the old codgers I shoot clays with put the muzzle of their o/u on their shoe to break it open, a couple of them even have a leather pad threaded into their shoelaces as a muzzle rest.

That is a fact. The nice thing about an O/U is you know if you shot two there aren't anymore rounds waiting to be negligently discharged.

Check this out. Interesting read: The Most Dangerous Shotgun Ever Made: Winchester’s Model 1911 SL

I have one of the 'widowmaker' survivors. They are relatively rare now. One of my wall hangers with an interesting story. I have shot it and it is indeed the most dangerous, poorly designed smoothbore ever. So many hunters blew their head off, lost fingers, or feet it had to be permanently recalled and exchanged for a different gun.

 

[One Ping Only]

FWIW I had a Remington model 11 20 ga when I was a kid- another one that modeled after the Browning model 5 squarish receiver. But it wasn't that disaster like the Winchester 1911 was....