It’s really hilarious when California asks electric car owners NOT to charge their cars.
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Why would they do that? Charging an EV is just like running an appliance! And there's plenty of electricity for everyone!
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I really don't think you believe we can go without convenience stores?
Do you think every 7-11, Quick-Stop, Shell, etcetera would just close because they cannot sell gas at or near cost?
And the people driving EV's won't need to eat something while they are waiting for their charge?
Of course they could make an entire meal right now during the wait, but they'd still need somewhere to do it.
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"Them" no longer exists in the western world. It's an illusion.
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Well, the scenario or overnight transformation to EVs was intentionally ridiculous.
But for the record, gas is the draw for the majority of sales in so-called mini-marts. People shop there because they are getting gas. Thus the name, convenience store. Gas sales keep the lights on. Margins are thin at 2 or 3 cents per gallon but they sell a lot of it, which is why the new places have a crazy number of pumps.
Quick charge EV stations could fill the void. Today, 15 minutes of fast charge delivers 100 miles. Just enough time for a Slurpee or maybe take a leak then get the kids to soccer or violin lessons. Who has that kind of time? Everybody. Who knows... maybe the EV 15 minute fill up is a great way for some people to unpucker their butt holes - or maybe I should say stop and smell the fried chicken that's been in the warmer for a month.
There's really no way for anyone to predict how the consumer would behave if gasoline were no longer in demand. The mini mart places would suddenly have a lot of competition from fast food, coffee shops, and drive thru liquor stores (of which I am a big fan).
Also... I'll go out on a limb and say soccer moms driving EVs aren't buying meals at the QuickMart Gas and Go. I don't know anyone who eats at those places. I'm sure the crackheads will still hang out there. At the risk of seeming callous, it looks like food stamps will not buy most of the things sold at mini-marts either.
Personally, I'd not invest any money in those enterprises if tomorrow everyone bought an EV. Uranium futures and battery recyclers would be a wiser bet.
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You mean smell the BO? 15 minutes would be torture for me. If I'm going to chill somewhere, it's NOT there. Seriously. I can gas up in about 3 minutes and GTFO and have 400 - 500 miles of range. AND I can pull over at ANY exit and have my choice of gas stations each with a dozen or more pumps with no waiting.
So no... I don't have that kind of time, not because I'm in a hurry... it's because I have better things to do than WAIT for a working charger and then WAIT some more for a charge that will only get me 100 miles (before I have to hunt for another scarce charging station). LOL!
I'm not there to take a piss or grab a bite or socialize... or anything else other than fuel up and be on my way.
Seriously... who hangs out at gas stations??? I've heard this ridiculous argument from EV advocates before. "Oh, even with gas, you'll be there for 20 minutes getting something to eat or using the bathroom." Ummmm... no.. Like literally NEVER have I done that. If I'm going to eat, I'll stop at a RESTAURANT (and use the bathroom there, if I need to). I don't eat at gas stations. Not even the famous Bucee's. Barf!
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I will concur...
I will NOT concur... The infrastructure is not there. Flash back to 1970s gas crunch. Lines of cars waiting to fuel up. Demand exceeds supply. All it will take is a few well-placed EMPs the grid is gone. Savages roaming the roads--MadMax type of shit...
More realistically, say you need to charge up and the only option shown on your dummy screen is some station just off the highway in the middle of N-town. And you have to wait there 15 minutes to get some semblance of a charge?
Will you have enough ammo?
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Generating capacity just about everywhere exceeds demand. Unplanned outages or generators or downed lines are the #1 cause of large scale rolling blackouts. When that happens during a heat wave, that's how they handle it.
This has nothing to do with short, localized outages, which happen all the time, everywhere. Usually storms but sometimes caused by equipment failure.
Nobody is worried about charging EVs except EV haters. The true electricity boogeyman is data centers. Borrowing what someone else wrote... Coal train goes by... Hey, there goes a bunch of Bitcoin fuel! You can substitute Generative AI, Social media, or search engines for Bitcoin in that statement . That is the reality. Not the imagined load for charging EVs. It's not even close.
So... anyone who feels strongly about excessive energy usage, please stop using the internet, social media, and cryptocurrencies. Because Google, Facebook, X, Microsoft, Oracle, and many others are sucking up all your electricity. You are helping them killing the planet just being here! How dare you? Don't you care about our children?
Or turn your focus on a meteor wiping out all life on the planet or global thermonuclear war. It's about as likely as the "grid collapsing".
Back on topic: In a nutshell, about PG&E rolling blackouts in SoCal... Californians don't want power lines or generating plants anywhere near where they live. They import a lot of power from neighboring states. About 30%. They also have a transmission/distribution problem. Woefully out of date. They can't deliver the power to where the demand is. Especially when there's a weather anomaly. Fires destroying lines, unpredictable heat waves, etc.
California produces about 60 percent of their energy, which is pretty bad for an economy the size of California's. Most of their oil and coal burning fossil plants were converted to natural gas in the 80s and 90s to reduce emissions. They also made the mistake of relying heavily on renewable energy like wind and because of that and the dependency on others have been unable to deliver enough power to meet the demand. Thus they do rolling blackouts.
This is a California political and policy problem, not a technical problem. If you look at how frequent rolling blackouts actually occur and exclude severe storms taking out equipment and lines, you'll realize this is a big nothing burger. Minor inconvenience caused by the policies Californians voted for and nitwit politicians and regulators.
If you have solar panels and batteries like me you can laugh about people sitting in the dark.
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Simple answer: Don't run your battery down to nothing and be forced to hook up to some hitching post at 2 am in the middle of Cracktown. Some people drive around in their ICE car with the needle bouncing off the E. I never did.I will concur...
I will NOT concur... The infrastructure is not there. Flash back to 1970s gas crunch. Lines of cars waiting to fuel up. Demand exceeds supply. All it will take is a few well-placed EMPs the grid is gone. Savages roaming the roads--MadMax type of shit...
More realistically, say you need to charge up and the only option shown on your dummy screen is some station just off the highway in the middle of N-town. And you have to wait there 15 minutes to get some semblance of a charge?
I don't worry about people bothering me at gas stations. I have a gun. I'm more than likely better at using it than they are.
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First true statement not made by me.Why would they do that? Charging an EV is just like running an appliance! And there's plenty of electricity for everyone!
EV Derangement Syndrome!
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You know that if there's an EMP absolutely nothing will work, right? Where are you going to get gasoline? Be prepared to kill for it. Or be killed.I will concur...
I will NOT concur... The infrastructure is not there. Flash back to 1970s gas crunch. Lines of cars waiting to fuel up. Demand exceeds supply. All it will take is a few well-placed EMPs the grid is gone. Savages roaming the roads--MadMax type of shit...
More realistically, say you need to charge up and the only option shown on your dummy screen is some station just off the highway in the middle of N-town. And you have to wait there 15 minutes to get some semblance of a charge?
Yea... but my old C10 will stile running! Ummm... No, it wont. Might be easier to fix though. It also depends on the proximity of the EMP blast to the vehicle. In general, anything not 1960's isn't going to run without work. AutoZone may have some parts for it. Oh yea, those guys and everybody at the local strip mall will all be dead. Never mind.
Another big car company gives up on hydrogen
Jeep and Chrysler's parent company is closing its fuel cell EV lines just weeks before they were to start running.
www.engadget.com
In other EV asinine-ness, slipnfalls are looking to pull down Tesla's pants and dis-embowel its promotion of their car's "self-driving" features. LINK
I believe self-driving will be the start of Big Brother's efforts to control its subjects. The elite will get into a pod and get whisked along directly to their destination. The dregs will have to rely on public transportation and in both cases, entrance and egress will be monitored by an implanted chip in the wrist.
I believe self-driving will be the start of Big Brother's efforts to control its subjects. The elite will get into a pod and get whisked along directly to their destination. The dregs will have to rely on public transportation and in both cases, entrance and egress will be monitored by an implanted chip in the wrist.
Exactly, 15 minutes? It’s more like 45 and you can never plan the perfect charge to maintain the proper percentage per your battery health, projected miles, when you are using the car like a real car.I will concur...
I will NOT concur... The infrastructure is not there. Flash back to 1970s gas crunch. Lines of cars waiting to fuel up. Demand exceeds supply. All it will take is a few well-placed EMPs the grid is gone. Savages roaming the roads--MadMax type of shit...
More realistically, say you need to charge up and the only option shown on your dummy screen is some station just off the highway in the middle of N-town. And you have to wait there 15 minutes to get some semblance of a charge?
If you use your EV like a novelty, a vibrator, golf cart or a bicycle for a few miles a day or live on an island like Hawaii maybe these EV’s make sense but so would horses, but to replace fossil fuels it’s like harvesting bees in a speedo.
3 minutes to fill a gas tank…..do the math, in a day one pump at a gas station could fill 400+ cars in roughly 450 sq/ft with proper traffic flow lanes to access in and out etc and drive 300 to 400 miles.
No more gasoline, EV cars parked in a huge parking lot waiting for unknown charge times 15 to 45 minutes each (while kids in the car rage, shit, fight, eat, scream). Now you are down to 30 to 90+ per pump/charger and charging more frequently.
Traffic flow? you are suffering with a reduction in services per sqft, which means more charging stations per pump eliminated by what 3:1? More acreage of property. It goes on and on…
Racer, you will need to plan for a life of car, centered around your car which is on all the time, cooling, heating, texting, costing, paying subscriptions, fixing, charging your car. You must learn to be one with your car. Charge it at home, upgrade your power to fast chargers, plug in at work, monitor your %, manage your charges for optimum battery health, avoid driving in heat or cold. You must wear your car like your underwear and like your underwear you must keep it dry so your car doesn’t explode.
(WARNING; this rough math and logic was done by someone without a masters degree in engineering or posted resume therefore it should be disregarded).
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A real car. That's a new one. You are going to be so disappointed when this all plays out. That happens to geniuses sometimes. Fast charge ... 15 minutes buys you 100 miles. Tesla superchargers... 200 miles range in 15 minutes. Ask me how I know. Especially useful if you foolishly run the car to its maximum range. Like a lot of fools do. Even with gasoline cars. The driver they nervously hope they make the next gas station before running out. Who hasn't seen this before - besides nobody.
Ask a cop how often people run out of gas on a freeway. It happens every day. Probably happen with EVs too. But I'm sure this will seem like something new to EV haters. Because they know nothing about EVs and make shit up like Trump haters do.
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Hey, I wasnt the one who suggest people eat at gas stations. Or find them otherwise useful. I don't give a shit if they all shut down. The most likely scenario is they become charging stations. If you pay any attention to what's going on with battery technology now, the arguments against EV are retarded. Uninformed at best. Long waits for charging is going away, but there will always be dickheads who find something to complain about because they are old and hate anything new.
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I especially find the irrational whiners who rant about range yet the average American drives 37 miles a day. That's real data. Not made up bullshit.
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No derangement. Just a VERY clear understanding of Physics AND my own driving needs.First true statement not made by me.
EV Derangement Syndrome!
Where I might get "deranged" is when politicians and their supporters aim to MANDATE what I buy and drive (and ultimately WHERE and WHEN I drive).
The common casual arguments made (in social environments) by the EV advocates are not only vacuous but really rather amusing. The best they've got is this delusion that I spend 20+ minutes at a gas station fueling up my car "anyway." Ummm.... no. Never. And then... the 20 minutes doesn't include WAITING for a working charger.... AND all that time and effort to go only 100 miles, which means in another 90 minutes I'll be searching desperately for the next charger.
Again.... no exaggeration... 3 minutes to go from nearly empty to FULL, giving me 400 - 500 miles of range. And no advance planning needed in order to map out the next fuel stop. I don't eat at gas stations, and I don't eat (or use the bathroom) every 90 minutes / 100 miles. It's really quite the odd (and very weak) argument in favor of EVs.
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I always endeavor to look on the bright side. In ten years the EV will dominate in passenger vehicles. The whining and nattering will stop because most of them will be dead by then or crapping in their pants at the Shady Rest nursing home. There's always a silver lining.
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Dude... I see the EV stations at the Turnpike plazas..... Now. Recently. Half of them are out of order at any given time. Not kidding or exaggerating. I'll take pictures (if I remember) next time. And there is a line of EVs waiting for an open charger. I can't help smirk a bit while I'm fueling up my car in about 3 minutes with the EV crew waiting in the background. And then I'm on my way while there has been no movement at the charging stations.
Interestingly, in the strip center where my dry cleaner and favorite local Tex-Mex joint are, they installed a bank of brand new chargers at the far end of the parking lot. At least a half-dozen. Most of the time when I go by there (at least once or twice a week), the chargers are 100% vacant. Occasionally there will be one car there charging.