Article Link! The Great American EV Fire Sale Is About to Begin
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Jaguar was already spiraling down, had dropped their big and mid sized saloons, their better and bigger engines and became fixated on crossover ev crap.... but that ad pointed the airplane straight at the ground.
Regarding the mindset comment, my dad who was in the Public Utility industry and came up through the ranks to upper management- had run into that very mindset often: "well, that's the way we've always done it"...innovation was not just challenged but discouraged- and when he got into a position to change things he pissed people off, but the results you could not argue with.
Then there was the union type of mindset that was prevalent "how long can I make this job last?" among some of them when tasked with projects. I think he changed the way some overhaul procedures were done in their hydroelectric generators both in CA, and in Hoover Dam (as at the time, that company had one side of the canyon and power plant, and the State of AZ (iirc) had the other side.) He wasn't well-liked by the sandbaggers, but he got it done, faster, and under budget without compromising safety.
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Or in other words... we are an ICE engine company and will be out of business when EVs dominate in heavy trucks. It's already begun.
www.volvotrucks.us
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ahem... BULLSHIT. Absolutely a lie. They just moved the exhaust pipe to a remote location.
I know people in the trucking business. Never going to happen. I can just see OTR (over the road) truckers waiting in line to then wait even longer while their trucks charge! LOL! Never. Going. To. Happen. They don't have that kind of time.
I know people in the trucking business. Never going to happen. I can just see OTR (over the road) truckers waiting in line to then wait even longer while their trucks charge! LOL! Never. Going. To. Happen. They don't have that kind of time.
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Meanwhile this CEO of an electric car company that has never turned a profit seems to be making the same arguments as Racer88...?
www.businessinsider.com
FWIW I am finishing up a repair on a hybrid X5 a/c system to the tune of $12k.
Rivian CEO says it 'blows my mind' that the US auto industry is reprioritizing capital toward gas-powered vehicles
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe said the reprioritization of capital toward internal combustion engines would thin the EV market — offering an opportunity.
www.businessinsider.com
FWIW I am finishing up a repair on a hybrid X5 a/c system to the tune of $12k.
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My son and his wife are OTR coast-to-coast truckers. This whole EV for trucks things is nothing but a desperate, manipulative publicity stunt while the industry is in the throes of death.
The two major obstacles that they still face to this day are:
1. Range
2. environmental impact from the disposal of dead battery packs, which the green/climate change saps seem to care nothing about. That right there tells you everything.
The two major obstacles that they still face to this day are:
1. Range
2. environmental impact from the disposal of dead battery packs, which the green/climate change saps seem to care nothing about. That right there tells you everything.
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Of course he doesn’t agree. If you can’t make it on your own and your business does not affect national security, your business should not receive government subsidies to make it. Let the market decide.Meanwhile this CEO of an electric car company that has never turned a profit seems to be making the same arguments as Racer88...?
Rivian CEO says it 'blows my mind' that the US auto industry is reprioritizing capital toward gas-powered vehicles
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe said the reprioritization of capital toward internal combustion engines would thin the EV market — offering an opportunity.
FWIW I am finishing up a repair on a hybrid X5 a/c system to the tune of $12k.
Meanwhile this CEO of an electric car company that has never turned a profit seems to be making the same arguments as Racer88...?
Rivian CEO says it 'blows my mind' that the US auto industry is reprioritizing capital toward gas-powered vehicles
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe said the reprioritization of capital toward internal combustion engines would thin the EV market — offering an opportunity.
FWIW I am finishing up a repair on a hybrid X5 a/c system to the tune of $12k.
If his "mind is blown," then it's no wonder he's the CEO of a company that will inevitably fail (and is already headed strongly in that direction). Dude, you're selling a product very few people want. And you're counting on the gov't to FORCE your product on the Free Market, which is self-contradictory.
That's because he's a MORON. It PROVES he's a moron. I could have told him that, and I'm not an MBA. But I do have a brain, the ability to observe the market, and enough knowledge about the automotive world to see that coming a million miles away. It's so OBVIOUS.
If a product can't survive on it's OWN FUCKING MERIT, then it's a BAD PRODUCT.
More evidence he's a MORON. You're NEVER going to get the other 92% of buyers. I could have told you that EVs, in a FREE MARKET, will never top 10% of the automotive market. NEVER. That's just demographics and the marketplace. 9 out of 10 people simply have NO USE for and NO INTEREST in EVs. We didn't before. We don't now. And we won't in the future.
The fact that the progressives in gov't are incentivizing it and even going so far as wanting to MANDATE it.... only proves my point: If a product cannot survive on it's own merit... It just SUCKS.
We are Americans. Try to tell us that we MUST buy something, and we will PUSH BACK HARD. Tell us that YOU know what's good for us, and we'll punch you in the nose... HARD.
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Oregon could join Hawaii in mandating pay-per-mile fees for EV owners as gas tax projections fall
Oregon could join Hawaii in mandating pay-per-mile fees for EV owners as gas tax projections fall
Oregon lawmakers gathered in Salem on Friday for a special session focused on transportation funding.
apnews.com
How is this not a 4th Amendment violation?
And this will not help EV sales at all.
How many miles can a person drive annually on an island? Can't be many. I don't see private citizens racking up 15K miles a year like on the mainland.Oregon could join Hawaii in mandating pay-per-mile fees for EV owners as gas tax projections fall
Oregon could join Hawaii in mandating pay-per-mile fees for EV owners as gas tax projections fall
Oregon lawmakers gathered in Salem on Friday for a special session focused on transportation funding.
How is this not a 4th Amendment violation?
And this will not help EV sales at all.
So you agree with it?
How may guns can a person annually shoot? Can't be many. Should the state be able to come count your guns annually? Or require you to report how many rounds you fired?
No, I do not agree with it. What I am questioning is the gov't will have to have a pretty high rate to make up the revenue lost from gas taxes. And we all know that when you give them an inch, they take a mile, so the amount an EV driver is going to end up paying will be more than what they were paying in gas tax before.
Now here's the double whammy.
You are taxed on your electric consumption for what your home uses. (assuming you are not off grid with solar etc.) If you own an EV, you do most of your vehicle charging at home. So, the "fuel" for your EV has already been taxed once. Are they going to allow a credit for the tax on the electricity when they tax you in lieu of the gas tax? No, they will not.
Most states levy a flat fee per year on EV owners to make up for the lost gas tax revenue, but if you do the math on how much you drive, and calculate the m.p.g. your car gets times the state tax on a gallon of gas, you will find you are, depending on which state you live in, and how much you drive, paying quite a bit more than what you paid in gas tax, which only taxed what you used.
The VMT tax (Vehicle Miles Traveled) is being put forth as being a fair way to tax EV usage. It is supposed to replace the annual registration fee.
Yeah, now tell me the one about the three bears...In states that have annual vehicle inspection, this will just be added to the checklist for the inspector to do. But what about states that have no annual inspection? The bureaucracy to enforce/collect this will most likely be funded through the VMT tax itself.
So, if this concept of taxing you for miles driven catches on, you will have been taxed 3 ways, where before you were taxed one.
Whether you pay more or less depends on which state you live in. But as more EV's take the place of ICE cars on the road, expect these fees and taxes to go up. Also expect the tax on gas to go up, because politicians never pass up an opportunity to find a way to raise taxes when they get the chance. And they will say because gas tax revenues are down, we have to raise the tax to make up the shortfall. The annual fee you paid is a "Registration Fee" and they will say that money goes into a different bucket than the gas tax money and is not earmarked for road maintenance.
State fees vary from zero for a few states (right now), to over $200 per year.
Electric Vehicle Taxes by State, 2025
As the market share of electric vehicles (EVs) on the road grows, the gas tax’s ability to fund road projects and decrease traffic congestion erodes. Both federal and state real tax revenue per vehicle mile traveled has been on a steady decline for decades, creating a fiscal gap for road...
taxfoundation.org
State gas tax varies from a low of 9 cents, (AK) to a high of 68 cents (CA)
Gas Tax Rates by State, 2024
Though gas taxes are intended to serve as user fees and pollution deterrents, they vary widely across states. How does your state’s burden compare?
taxfoundation.org
The feds are ALREADY taxing guns, ammo and archery at 11% and have been since 1937. LINK But it IS for a good cause!
I didn't say anything about taxing anything. I asked if the gov't should be able to come count and inspect your guns annually? Or track how many rounds you fire? Taxing is one thing. Not being secure in your person and property is quite another (See 4th Amendment). I'm equating that to tracking your miles driven by inspecting your odometer. I don't want them doing that, even if they're NOT taxing it.The feds are ALREADY taxing guns, ammo and archery at 11% and have been since 1937. LINK But it IS for a good cause!
That's the way I see it going. You don't have to worry as you don't do the EV thing.
haha... NEVAH!
But as some folks who might have considered an EV catch on to these schemes, they'll be discouraged from pursuing it.
I thought we were talking about gas tax/road tax. At any rate, I'm pretty sure ALL EVs are "connected". Meaning they CAN be tracked.
I thought we were talking about gas tax/road tax. At any rate, I'm pretty sure ALL EVs are "connected". Meaning they CAN be tracked.
Yes. But to implement / calculate your tax, they actually inspect your odometer reading. I see that as a 4th Amendment issue.
But where does the right end and privilege (to drive) begin?