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Bobster said:
But where does the right end and privilege (to drive) begin? :unsure:
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Whaaaa??? I'm not talking about driving. I'm talking about being secure in your person and belongings / property. My car is no different than my house when it comes to search & seizure. The gov can't search my house or car without probable cause or a warrant. Demanding to see my odometer is no different than demanding to come into my house to check my thermostat setting.

PS... driving is neither a right nor a privilege. On my private property, I can drive anything I want. Driving on PUBLIC ROADS is a licensed privilege. But on private property, neither vehicle registration nor a drivers license is needed.
 
A butcher always says dont trust anything that comes out of the ocean. And red meat lovers agree.

Europe is going electric with small/medium trucks at a pretty good clip. Big semi0truck haulers, less but they are already operating there on a small scale. All the big EU truck makers are going electric. Diesel still dominated but it's slowly shrinking. The big EV sellers are vans. Short haul delivery vehicles.

Nothing is going to stop this trend.
 
Racer88 said:
Yikes. Lost nearly $100k in value in just 2 years!
www.ladbible.com

Man who bought $140,000 Tesla two years ago left in shock at what its worth now

A man who bought a Tesla for $140,000 was in shock when he discovered what his car was worth two years later.
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Next up from LAD Bible: Human Head Transplant!

This is not a credible source. It's an entertainment/clickbait service masquerading as news.

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This guy is giving them away! :D


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XTWMkSwnNgo


A buddy of mine just bought a model "Y" Tesla (the SUV). He mentioned that there was limited human contact to buy--ordered and left a deposit on his phone. Finance paperwork completed and approved online. When the car came in he was notified by phone. Went to the dealer, signed in at the kiosk by phone. When the car was ready, the "Salesman" came out, helped him program the car into his phone app, gave him the key cards needed if you don't have your phone on you, asked if he had any questions then went back into his office. The door to the dealership opened automatically to let him out. After the $7500 gov't bribe, the car was about $35Gs out the door. No options as everything is apparently a la carte. No self-drive or dual-motor (both extra $). He DID buy himself a home Supercharger which was about $400, a sunshield for the glass roof and tint for the side windows.

Instead of trading it in, he sold his previous car (a newer, lifted jeep) on Carvana and was happy with what they paid him.
 
Bobster said:
This guy is giving them away! :D


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XTWMkSwnNgo


A buddy of mine just bought a model "Y" Tesla (the SUV). He mentioned that there was limited human contact to buy--ordered and left a deposit on his phone. Finance paperwork completed and approved online. When the car came in he was notified by phone. Went to the dealer, signed in at the kiosk by phone. When the car was ready, the "Salesman" came out, helped him program the car into his phone app, gave him the key cards needed if you don't have your phone on you, asked if he had any questions then went back into his office. The door to the dealership opened automatically to let him out. After the $7500 gov't bribe, the car was about $35Gs out the door. No options as everything is apparently a la carte. No self-drive or dual-motor (both extra $). He DID buy himself a home Supercharger which was about $400, a sunshield for the glass roof and tint for the side windows.

Instead of trading it in, he sold his previous car (a newer, lifted jeep) on Carvana and was happy with what they paid him.
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Wise man, your friend.

A find of mine told me he loves the haggling with car dealers. He is not a dumb guy but his ego has him convinced he's 'negotiating'. What he's really doing is wasting a lot of time. Car dealers are a racket. You get screwed every time you buy a new car.

Tesla's direct, automated model is perfect for me. I don't want to talk to anybody. Even when the big carmakers get their EV act together, buyers still face shitbag dealers as middlemen whose entire system is designed to stick it to you.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
Wise man, your friend.
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He was my neighbor at my shop for a couple/few years. Nice guy, slightly lib but not a dumbass or asshole. We'd have discussions/debates and I'd sway him or see HIS point.

Resigned his job being a public school teacher to silkscreen T-shirts. 🤔 The business started doing so well his wife left her teaching job a year later to join him. His 4-position machine was replaced by a 6-position and he got a bigger dryer. Then an embroidery machine. Increasingly wanting for space, he moved from next door to a location 2x the size and 3x the rent about 1/2mi away. I'd pop in on him sometimes when I was going to the Post Office (it was across the street). I think he has an 8-position automatic machine now and two dryers. It is his busy season with schools starting back up and sports teams and clubs needing shirts and hats. He's living the dream... :)
 

Unprofitable, Unpopular, Overpriced, and Unsubsidized EVs Begin Falling Like Dominoes in the U.S., and the List So Far Includes Nissan’s Ariya, Acura’s ZDX, Ford’s 3-Row SUV, and RAM’s Rev - Here’s What’s Next for Failing EV Models​


Unprofitable, Unpopular, Overpriced, and Unsubsidized EVs Begin Falling Like Dominoes in the U.S., and the List So Far Includes Nissan’s Ariya, Acura’s ZDX, Ford’s 3-Row SUV, and RAM’s Rev - Here’s What’s Next for Failing EV Models

Battery electric vehicle deliveries are about to head off a cliff in America. With only the Tesla Model 3 and Model Y being successful, the remaining models will fall like dominoes, one after the other. Here are the first four to have already fallen.
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The big carmakers are run by marketers, sales execs, and engineers whose success career-wise was fueled by gasoline. They cant build a good EV because they are addicted to their own exhaust fumes.

When all you have is an ICE, everything looks like a nail.

If this flap with Russia escalates, which it may, gasoline will be rationed like it was in WW2. A lot of people are going to wish they had an EV if it comes to that.

To those EV refuseniks I say... Good luck making your own gasoline.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
The big carmakers are run by marketers, sales execs, and engineers whose success career-wise was fueled by gasoline. They cant build a good EV because they are addicted to their own exhaust fumes.
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Whenever you have marketing types and graduates of a BSM, they focus on profit at the expense of other things like quality and CS.
When Harvey Earl was Chief Engineer, and later Prez of GM was when GM made the cars we all remember and lust after to this day. 50-60 years from now, do you think anyone will get excited over a Crown Vic barn find?

From where I sit, EV's need 3 things to succeed.

1. More range.
At least 400 miles. Remember, EV range is expressed in how far the battery will take you from a 100% charge to zero percent charge. In reality, you operate an EV in the 20%-80% charge range and only charge to 100% the night before a trip. So an advertised 400 mile range is actually 240 miles for daily use. And then factor in battery degradation. Current Tesla are averaging 10-12% degradation at 100K miles.

2. Cost.
EV's will need to be on par with gas burners to buy and insure. All the fuel/maint. savings won't matter if your insurance company is going to bend you over with the premium.
And I could do with a lot less complexity. Everything in the car does not need to be controlled by a computer. All that gadgetry is great when it works. When it fails, good luck.

3. Charging infrastructure.
Where I'm at, there are only 2 rapid chargers in my county and each is 30 minutes away.
One grocery store has free Level 2 charging, but it's throttled back to 5kW.
3 hotels have Level 2 charging, but only for guests.
And that's it. Tesla has the largest network, but it's mostly located on the interstate highways. Any Tesla chargers in towns are mostly "Destination Chargers", which is Level 2.
And then there is the variety of sockets. Why they didn't settle on a standard for everyone at the beginning is beyond insane. So, you have to carry a box of adapters, which can cost up to $150 each. Any then hope the copper thieves haven't neutered the charger.
 
I'm not a car-nut ... but I LOVE my Jeeps. If these EVs are really gonna take dive, I might pick one up that I could charge via my DIY solar system ... albeit at whatever slow rate I can make happen. This would be for "just in case" should gas ever truly become hard to come by.

So, to those in the know; what is your opinion on the least complex yet best range make/models of EV out there?
 
no4mk1t said:
Whenever you have marketing types and graduates of a BSM, they focus on profit at the expense of other things like quality and CS.
When Harvey Earl was Chief Engineer, and later Prez of GM was when GM made the cars we all remember and lust after to this day. 50-60 years from now, do you think anyone will get excited over a Crown Vic barn find?

From where I sit, EV's need 3 things to succeed.

1. More range.
At least 400 miles. Remember, EV range is expressed in how far the battery will take you from a 100% charge to zero percent charge. In reality, you operate an EV in the 20%-80% charge range and only charge to 100% the night before a trip. So an advertised 400 mile range is actually 240 miles for daily use. And then factor in battery degradation. Current Tesla are averaging 10-12% degradation at 100K miles.

2. Cost.
EV's will need to be on par with gas burners to buy and insure. All the fuel/maint. savings won't matter if your insurance company is going to bend you over with the premium.
And I could do with a lot less complexity. Everything in the car does not need to be controlled by a computer. All that gadgetry is great when it works. When it fails, good luck.

3. Charging infrastructure.
Where I'm at, there are only 2 rapid chargers in my county and each is 30 minutes away.
One grocery store has free Level 2 charging, but it's throttled back to 5kW.
3 hotels have Level 2 charging, but only for guests.
And that's it. Tesla has the largest network, but it's mostly located on the interstate highways. Any Tesla chargers in towns are mostly "Destination Chargers", which is Level 2.
And then there is the variety of sockets. Why they didn't settle on a standard for everyone at the beginning is beyond insane. So, you have to carry a box of adapters, which can cost up to $150 each. Any then hope the copper thieves haven't neutered the charger.
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Also the amount of time it takes to charge is an issue. I can go from E to F in my gas car in under 3 minutes and do it on ANY highway exit or any major intersection in any city or town without ANY WAITING for a pump.
 
no4mk1t said:
And I could do with a lot less complexity. Everything in the car does not need to be controlled by a computer. All that gadgetry is great when it works. When it fails, good luck.
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I think the most major beef I have with Teslas is that fucking HUGE screen in the MIDDLE of the dashboard. I wonder how much it will cost when a vandal gets in and puts a fist through it! :eek: Will the car even run? 🤔 To me, that is the most major shortcoming of Teslas.

Talking with my buddy above, the self-drive and many other features are subscription-based. No ticky--no worky. He also commented how the center screen was a distraction and he was still "getting used to" it. :rolleyes: You seemingly can't do anything with the car unless through the screen or through your phone. What if the phone gets stolen? :eek:
And what if you somehow disable the satellite and/or GPS--will the car even run?
 
Bobster said:
I think the most major beef I have with Teslas is that fucking HUGE screen in the MIDDLE of the dashboard. I wonder how much it will cost when a vandal gets in and puts a fist through it! :eek: Will the car even run? 🤔 To me, that is the most major shortcoming of Teslas.

Talking with my buddy above, the self-drive and many other features are subscription-based. No ticky--no worky. He also commented how the center screen was a distraction and he was still "getting used to" it. :rolleyes: You seemingly can't do anything with the car unless through the screen or through your phone. What if the phone gets stolen? :eek:
And what if you somehow disable the satellite and/or GPS--will the car even run?
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It's not just EV's that suffer with these horible screens. Before I went to buy my 2019 or 2020 Silverado (cannot remember which) I went to the Ram dealer to see if the newer generation was any better than the last generation I drove as a rental while my vehicle was in the body shop.

It had a huge touchscreen in the center and while were were looking it over I noticed that there were no controls for the heating and cooling system so I asked the sales slime how to control the heat. It was 3 or 4 taps on the screen to get to the controls and then taps to raise or lower the temperature.
 
The Tesla absolutely runs without a smartphone. You just use the fob. One hitch might be some third party recharge stations do require a phone. But Tesla charging does not.

I used to have a flip phone. It worked much better for me than a smartphone when I was riding a horse to work every day. :)
 
Steelart99 said:
I'm not a car-nut ... but I LOVE my Jeeps. If these EVs are really gonna take dive, I might pick one up that I could charge via my DIY solar system ... albeit at whatever slow rate I can make happen. This would be for "just in case" should gas ever truly become hard to come by.

So, to those in the know; what is your opinion on the least complex yet best range make/models of EV out there?
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Off road is the ideal scenario for electric powered vehicles. The ability to control the speed of each wheel separately is a huge advantage in difficult terrain, as is the sheer torque that an electric motor can provide. It also provides 100% of its torque from 1 rpm to whatever its limit is... say 3000 rpm. This is impossible with an ICE and conventional transmission.

There are military prototypes of this but I dont know any car maker (or start up) talking about a civilian off-road EV yet. There is a EV Wrangler and Cherokee but in my mind retrofitting motors and batteries to an ICE vehicle is like trying to teach a pig to fly. Best to design the vehicle from the ground up as an EV.

The cybertruck has some cool capabilities but I dont think its designed to competitive in true off roading. Nobody is crawling rocks with a cybertruck. It can tread water pretty well though. The batteries are sealed and then further protected by automagically pressurizing when the car is in water.

Full disclosure: I have 3 Jeeps and drive off-road every day.
 

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