What in the actual fuck carry method is this?!??

[Bongo Lewi]

I’m shopping for a holster for my RIA CS 1911

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Not quite a nice as Wright or as expensive, but the Galco Combat Master (OWB) is a well made holster for any size 1911. Lasts a lifetime if you take care of it. I don't care for leather in an IWB and there's a million choices. I like Vedder.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Interesting that you mention cross draw, as that’s one I’m considering.

Check out Falco or DeSantis for Crossdraw. Popular among Air Marshals.

When I'm on a long road trip, I always go crossdraw. It's comfortable and easy to draw while sitting. Also... when you are pumping gas at 10:00 pm or go inside to take a leak, that short walk is when you are most likely to encounter a threat. It does you no good when that happens and the gun is in the range bag or glove compartment of your car.

 

[clm2112]

Hmmm... Reading through this thread, I was wondering why the holster had belt loops for that position (I have one of those holsters.) Seeing somebody using it that way was a "WTF???" moment for me too.

I'll try it myself just to see what this feels like, but yeah, I got a feeling that I'd take a pass on actually carrying the pistol horizontally across the back, upside-down. Just thinking about having to twist your wrist 180 degrees while reaching around behind your back.... not my cup of tea. If you have to wear a jacket to cover it, I might as well stick to a shoulder holster or on the hip under the jacket.

 

[clm2112]

This whole conversation also brings up the training bias problem. Nobody is gonna let you practice drawing and shooting the pistol in that mode of carry on their range. Like training to use a shoulder holster or cross-drawing, you pretty much have to have the entire range to yourself to practice, just because of where the direction the muzzle has to go on its path to the target.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

If you have to wear a jacket to cover it, I might as well stick to a shoulder holster or on the hip under the jacket.

I wore a Galco Jackass and Miami for a period of time. Shoulder rig (and cross draw) are better as far as a more natural motion on the draw, but they are detectable to someone looking for a gun. Wearing a blazer buttoned to be sure you don't expose the gun slows you down. There is no perfect solution to covert carry. It's all about your training and acquired skill.

It is true nobody will let you drill with holsters. Very few ranges allow it. For good reason. One of mine does when there's nobody around. It's outdoor and the RO's know me. I can also shoot on my own property all I want.

Timer, chrono, varied distances, etc. are no problem at home. I rarely use a timer and chrono. I have been shooting long enough to know what's good and what isn't. My wife will occasionally assist with the timer if I choose to use it.

 

[Racer88]

I got a feeling that I'd take a pass on actually carrying the pistol horizontally across the back, upside-down.

Yes! I forgot to mention the upside-down part! WTF is up with that?

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I feel the same way about anything that is a "do-it-all" design, such as the old fax / scanner / printer. Those machines did none of the above well.

I also won't use a conversion barrel in a pistol. If I want another caliber, I'll get another gun in that caliber.

Practicing with a 22 conversion kit to save money on ammo is like taking a carnival ride to improve your piloting skills.

I've converted Glocks and Sigs from one caliber to another but it was a permanent change. When the frame and slide are identical for either caliber, it's no big deal. Like .40 to 357 SIG. I eventually gave up on 357 SIG because I don't want to stock up and store yet another pistol caliber. The performance is excellent. But it's also harder to find and more costly.

 

[One Ping Only]

Thanks for the input and tips, Bongo Lewi!

 

[Bongo Lewi]

This is the Bullard "Striker" that's commonly worn SoB. His crossdraw is also outstanding. All hand made. He has molds for most popular handguns. So fit is not 'generic'. Mine is for a P229 and it's black. Retention is outstanding for a leather holster.

I'll repeat that this method of carry requires a lot of practice and is not practical for EDC. The 20-30 degree cant is essential in my opinion. Grip pointing due north (gun horizontal and behind your back) requires an awkward twisting of the wrist to draw and your finger naturally and instinctively wants to help by finding the trigger. You can mitigate this with the horizontal type by moving the gun to 5:00. But then it's easier to spot.

 

[clm2112]

I wore a Galco Jackass and Miami for a period of time. Shoulder rig (and cross draw) are better as far as a more natural motion on the draw, but they are detectable to someone looking for a gun. Wearing a blazer buttoned to be sure you don't expose the gun slows you down. There is no perfect solution to covert carry. It's all about your training and acquired skill.

It is true nobody will let you drill with holsters. Very few ranges allow it. For good reason. One of mine does when there's nobody around. It's outdoor and the RO's know me. I can also shoot on my own property all I want.

Timer, chrono, varied distances, etc. are no problem at home. I rarely use a timer and chrono. I have been shooting long enough to know what's good and what isn't. My wife will occasionally assist with the timer if I choose to use it.

Yeah, mine is a Galco Miami as well, I've had it since the 1980's. For me, it is by far the most comfortable method of carry all day long without it interfering with actual doing work. Kinda handy that the down-loops act like suspenders. Plus side... everything is out of the way and you don't feel lop-sided with the mag holder balancing the weight of the pistol. Down-side, you gotta wear a jacket if you don't want to advertise and scare the neighbors. You do give up speed of access, and you absolutely telegraph what you are doing when you draw.

My comment about training bias is about how people new to carry are siloed into thinking only about apendix, hip (IWB or OWB), thigh, and ankle holsters.... because that is all they are going to see used on any range that actually allows people to practice. Other modes, like the cross-draw across the chest or shoulder holster under the armpit are sortta ignored unless you watch old movies. (Like the old military issue M3 aviator's holster... cross draw with nothing to interfere with the seat harness straps... practical and comfy, but otherwise forgotten...though I see it making a come-back on the front panels of plate carriers.)

I mean, my initial "WTF??" reaction to the original post demonstrates the training bias I have as well... never seen that mode of carry and my instant reaction is "this isn't going to end well" without really thinking through any possible advantages and disadvantages.

 

[clm2112]

I've converted Glocks and Sigs from one caliber to another but it was a permanent change. When the frame and slide are identical for either caliber, it's no big deal. Like .40 to 357 SIG. I eventually gave up on 357 SIG because I don't want to stock up and store yet another pistol caliber. The performance is excellent. But it's also harder to find and more costly.

With 357 Sig... um... ya gotta "roll your own" for it to be practical Admittedly, I'm on the fence with that one. I still carry pistols chambered in 357 Sig, but the cost of factory ammunition is prohibitive. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't prepared to reload their own for training purposes.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Yeah, mine is a Galco Miami as well, I've had it since the 1980's. For me, it is by far the most comfortable method of carry all day long without it interfering with actual doing work. Kinda handy that the down-loops act like suspenders. Plus side... everything is out of the way and you don't feel lop-sided with the mag holder balancing the weight of the pistol. Down-side, you gotta wear a jacket if you don't want to advertise and scare the neighbors. You do give up speed of access, and you absolutely telegraph what you are doing when you draw.

My comment about training bias is about how people new to carry are siloed into thinking only about apendix, hip (IWB or OWB), thigh, and ankle holsters.... because that is all they are going to see used on any range that actually allows people to practice. Other modes, like across the cross-draw across the chest or shoulder holster under the armpit are sortta ignored unless you watch old movies. (Like the old military issue aviator's holster... cross draw with nothing to interfere with the seat harness straps... practical and comfy, but otherwise forgotten...though I see it making a come-back on the front panels of plate carriers.)

Mine are also both late 80's and are nicely broken in now. I bought the Jackass first. It handled my Beretta 92 just fine. The Miami was for a Sig P226. It also fit the P229, so I could use the holster with my personal EDC when the Miami Vice look was in fashion.

Yea. I really dressed like that. After I gave up the engineering uniform of Izod polos, Dockers and ugly shoes. And a white hardhat on the rear deck of my car.

 

[clm2112]

Yea. I really dressed like that. After I gave up the engineering uniform of Izod polos, Dockers and ugly shoes. And a white hardhat on the rear deck of my car.

Hehehe I shouldn't laugh too hard... being a propeller-head, I looked more like one of the Edwards AFB extras in "The Right Stuff".... though, the A2 flight jacket is still an integral part of my attire, cause nothing beats it.

 

[no4mk1t]

Maybe he was a fan of NCIS New Orleans...seems this was a staple accessory for the cast members.

 

[NavyVette]

the A2 flight jacket is still an integral part of my attire, cause nothing beats it.

Nothing wrong with a good flight jacket. Our comshaw on the Enterprise had the gouge on a stash of them, but never managed to get them for us. That was his only failure.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I wore my old man's vintage 1940's Navy pea coat for years. I literally wore it out. I ended up replacing it with a LL Bean version that set me back 300 bucks. It was well made but not quite the same.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Maybe he was a fan of NCIS New Orleans...seems this was a staple accessory for the cast members.

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The fat uniformed cops cant do the reach-around.

 

[BeerHunter]

My objections expressed in post #6 were explicitly based on the bastardized inverted-horizontal SOB method of carry in the OP photo that would require a contortionist to present the pistol!

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Then there's the vertical SoB type. You could wear this on your hip I suppose but you would have to buy the opposite hand. This is a right hand model.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

My objections expressed in post #6 were explicitly based on the bastardized inverted-horizontal SOB method of carry in the OP photo that would require a contortionist to present the pistol!

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