Spent holiday weekend in MI. Rented car and 2 out of 3 cars smelled like...

Fair point. I guess I have always looked at the multi hundred dollar fee for smoking in a rental to mean you can't and thought maybe some places offered it as an option.
I think it's fair to suggest it's a good idea at this point. There is NO getting rid of that smell in a car.
 
I mostly rented Hertz before abandoning car rentals all together. My employer had some kind of special pricing. Hertz had a no smoking policy. If you turned the car in and it had evidence of smoking, you would be charged $400 for cleaning.

On the other hand, I once got in a taxi late at night in San Jose and I'm pretty sure the Sikh driver had not bathed for a year or two. The odor was enough to gag a maggot.
 
I mostly rented Hertz before abandoning car rentals all together. My employer had some kind of special pricing. Hertz had a no smoking policy. If you turned the car in and it had evidence of smoking, you would be charged $400 for cleaning.

On the other hand, I once got in a taxi late at night in San Jose and I'm pretty sure the Sikh driver had not bathed for a year or two. The odor was enough to gag a maggot.
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Over the years, I've been to a lot of places where what we would consider smelly people are the norm. You have to accept and try to ignore it. Like how a barn smells or the kitchen when you cook cabbage. But this driver was particularly memorable.

As many have said, the worst smell imaginable is a decomposing human body. Nothing compares. You know what it is immediately the first time it hits your nostrils. Something in our lizard brains that goes back to when we crawled out of the primordial soup tells us this is rancid smell is something very, very bad.

All that in consideration, weed smell is only slightly annoying. :)
 
IF we are looking for FDA approval, we're already doomed. IMO the FDA has been anything but PRO health. All created by the Rockefeller's.
 
The hole state is skunk you can't avoid it. I've been told the state smells like freedom I agree but I'm looking at farm country it smells better.
 
IF we are looking for FDA approval, we're already doomed. IMO the FDA has been anything but PRO health. All created by the Rockefeller's.
If it is to be categorized as medical... Or actual medicine, then it MUST be treated like all other medications. Same criteria. Same requirements.
 
If it is to be categorized as medical... Or actual medicine, then it MUST be treated like all other medications. Same criteria. Same requirements.
Naturopathy. And I don’t need the gummit telling me what’s good and bad for me. Witness the CV19 vaxx just for starters.

Its like Dracula being in charge of the blood bank.
 
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Naturopathy. And I don’t need the gummit telling me what’s good and bad for me. Witness the CV19 vaxx just for starters.

Its like Dracula being in charge of the blood bank.
I agree about the govt not telling you what's good for you. That's not what I'm talking about. It is NOT medicine by any definition of the word. Not yet. For the reasons I already said. It's got nothing to do with the govt.
 
Medical marijuana is bullshit. It has no medicinal value. That said, I don't object when someone who is dealing with pain or other distress like cancer treatment smoking a joint to get some relief. No issues whatsoever

It's "therapeutic" in the same way booze is. Taking it makes you feel good. That does not make it "medical

No proven benefits. ALL other therapeutic drugs are listed in the PDR (physican's desk reference). They ALL have a therapeutic dose. Listed also in the PDR is the max dose. Also detailed are drug interactions. Contraindications. Side effects. Black box warnings. And so on.

Where is weed in the PDR? What is the therapeutic dose? What is the max dose? Contraindications? Interactions? There is ZERO evidence of therapeutic value.

What does a doctor's prescription for pot say? For all other drugs, a prescription MUST include the amount, the dose, the frequency. For all other drugs, the doctor must know or look up side effects, interactions, contraindications, etc.

Furthermore the notion of SMOKING something for MEDICAL purposes is laughable. Yeah, yeah... I know about the so-called "edibles" and "oils." Again... If you want to call it MEDICAL, then it must meet the same criteria as ALL other therapeutic medications. I'll wait.
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American Medical Association - on strain=Charlottes Web

Clinical Guide

Science Direct on medicinal uses

I think there is some misunderstanding between recreational and medical cannabis.
There is a difference between THC and CBD. Most medical users buy or grow cannabis products high in CBD with low/no THC. Medicinal use is normally not smoked it’s ingested, vaporized or applied topically. CBD has no, none, zero feel good, stoned or buzz effects. Some medical weed may have as high as 1:1 THC to CBD. I could have a full on dose of CBD running in my system and no one would have a clue- it’s not intoxicating what so ever.

ACDC a popular strain for cancer patients is 13% CBD 1% THC
Charlottes Web in the article above is 12% CBD 1%THC

I personally don’t want or like the foggy “feeling” that THC causes. Although I have tried laughing budda that’s touted to be a side splitter- didn’t work for me. I still haven’t found a CBD thats for me although my husband has. I’m hoping the Feds approve weed so the VA can start clinical trials to find the best strains.

The FDA has approved an epilepsy drug Epidiolex, which is made from a highly purified form of CBD. That said cannabis is not legal everywhere as such it’s not in a PDR…once it’s legal to test and prescribe I’d bet the PDR will be updated.

Dosage, which strain to use, frequency = no difference than any other drug the Dr prescribes. The Dr. doesn’t know if it’s going to work. Each individual is different ; some drugs work some don’t. Ask anyone that has PTSD, anxiety or depression how many drugs and dose changes they’ve had…it’s a crapshoot. That’s why it’s called practicing medicine. 😆

Far as I’m concerned drugs are a bandage / cover up to cope with whatever the issue is. It doesn’t correct or cure the cause of the illness, pain, or health problem.
 
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American Medial Association - on strain=Charlottes Web
The AMA is not a regulatory agency. They have literally zero regulatory power. They are a professional organization, no different than The American Cattlemen's Association in terms of power. The AMA does not make any rules, regulations, or laws regarding the practice of medicine. And last time I checked, only 15% of physicians are members of the AMA.

Dosage, which strain to use, frequency = no difference than any other drug the Dr prescribes. The Dr. doesn’t know if it’s going to work. Each individual is different ; some drugs work some don’t. Ask anyone that has PTSD, anxiety or depression how many drugs and dose changes they’ve had…it’s a crapshoot. That’s why it’s called practicing medicine. 😆
It's completely different. Pot isn't in the PDR. ALL other drugs are. ALL of them. All of them have known effects, side effects, dosages, max dosages, contraindications, black box warnings, drug interactions. ALL of them. Weed isn't listed there. Not yet. When it is... when it meets the same criteria for usage / prescribing information... then they can call it medicine.

Of course some drugs work differently on different patients. That's why there are MANY blood pressure meds, anti-anxiety meds, and so on. But the dosages (for each medication), etc.... are NOT a crapshoot. There are VERY strict guidelines on that. Therapeutic dosages. Max dosages.

Any doctor that MISprescribes a medication (by dosing outside the ESTABLISHED dosages - which can be found in the PDR) will be found liable (malpractice) when the patient has a problem as a result.

A doctor who wants to prescribe any other medication cannot look up whether it interacts negatively with weed or CBD or THC in the PDR. If a doctor wants to prescribe any real medication, he or she can look up all the potential interactions (and contraindications) with ALL the other medications the patient is taking. But not with weed / CBD products. There is no such information in the PDR.

There is some information coming out (found in online articles) about such drug interactions and warnings with CBD. But there is no centralized repository of such information like is found for ALL other drugs in the PDR.

Just because a substance makes the user feel good or better does not meet the criteria to be called medicine.

Again.... I'm not arguing against anyone who wants to use it the ability or opportunity to use it... for ANY reason they want. But it cannot be called medicine on par with all other medications. It's a misappropriation of the term. That very well may change. I'll wait. But until then, calling it "medical" does nothing more than satisfy the justifications of those making such incorrect claims. Simply calling it "medical" doesn't make it medical.

When it can be found in the PDR so all doctors can make proper decisions as it relates to dosages, contraindications and drug interactions.... I'll change my tune.
 
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I think you just need to lighten up and light one up... :D
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American tourist in Jamaica. Bought this spliff and the hat after getting off the cruise ship. :) Next... dreadlocks.
 
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The AMA is not a regulatory agency. They have literally zero regulatory power. They are a professional organization, no different than The American Cattlemen's Association in terms of power. The AMA does not make any rules, regulations, or laws regarding the practice of medicine. And last time I checked, only 15% of physicians are members of the AMA.
Really? Does that make their medical opinions any less ‘true” than powerful government sanctioned agencies ? I’m not so sure I’d trust those government regulatory agencies with my health. Big pharma has our best …. get that Covid shot cuz medical practice says so 👍🏻

In addition
The PDR is a compilation of written and pictorial information paid for and provided by pharmaceutical manufacturers. The written material for each drug is based on the data and recommendations in the drug's package insert, which must be approved by the FDA before it can be presented. The PDR also includes recommendations from other authorities, such as the CDC, AHA, and IOM, as well as cautionary information from FDA MedWatch notices and new scientific findings
Just because a substance makes the user feel good or better does not meet the criteria to be called medicine.
What is the definition or criteria ? Who actually has the authority to decide what is and isn’t medicine on my behalf ? Indigenous peoples have medicine thats not regulated, what about other countries is that medicine is not real medicine because it’s not approved in the US.

Just sayin….regulating authorities in the USA is not all that.
 
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Oh peyote. She tried to show me. :)

Some people swear by hemp oil CBD for chronic pain. It's not narcotic as Michelle said. I don't know if it's a placebo or not. Makes no difference to me if people use it. I would draw the line at people selling it representing it as any sort of medication or cure. There are people doing this. Preying on the desperate or dumb.

My mother, in the middle stages of dementia at 92, had a friend and neighbor who was psycho about supplements and their curing power. She had my mother believing all that voodoo and taking a dozen different supplements and vitamins. She was also taking a boatload of pharmaceuticals prescribed by her gerontologist and neurologist. The neighbor had her bathing in apple cider vinegar, which Mom said "made her privates sting". That really pissed me off.

I became concerned and told the neighbor to stop playing doctor. She refused and told me I was wrong - so I advised her the next step was a restraining order if she ever spoke to my mother again. And getting sued or possibly prosecuted if my mother became ill from all this shit she was taking on her advice.

I also spoke to my mother's physicians and asked them what each drug they prescribed was for and we agreed half of them were not going to be of any help in mitigating her declining mental and physical condition. After all, she was 92. We aren't trying to keep her body functioning so she can slowly suffer losing her mind for a bit longer. They agreed. She was happier, more alert, and slightly better physically when taking fewer meds and no supplements. She lived close to 3 more years, died peacefully at 95.
 
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Does that make their medical opinions any less ‘true” than powerful government sanctioned agencies ?
Oh, I share your disdain for gov't agencies. But I'm not talking about them.

I’m not so sure I’d trust those government regulatory agencies with my health. Big pharma has our best …. get that Covid shot cuz medical practice says so 👍🏻
Likewise with big pharma. I don't trust them at all anymore.

Same goes with CDC, WHO, NIH, etc. They've all lost our trust in a big way.

But that's not my point. My point is that when a doctor prescribes a medication, it is within accepted guidelines which includes dosage and awareness of contraindications and interactions with other medications. The process of properly and safely prescribing ALL other medications depends on access to that information. It's kind of important. It's important to not overdose the patient. It's important to make sure there aren't dangerous or even lethal interactions with other drugs the patient is taking. It's important to know which dangerous side effects to look out for.

My point is that that information is not available for cannabis. Maybe it will be some day. But right now, the same prescribing guidelines for ALL other medications are not available for cannabis products.

So I'm being admittedly pedantic about calling in "medication." It just bugs me. Sorry. :) But that is not to be mistaken as a position against people using cannabis products. I'm not denying their anecdotal claims of benefits. I don't think smoking weed should be criminalized, even though I disagree with its use. I'm NOT suggesting any of it should be taken away.

But I disagree with calling it "medication," since it is not treated the same way as all other medications. I won't give it the same due respect as all other medications. I also think there's a big difference between extracts from cannabis and SMOKING weed. No other medication in the world is smoked. Smoking (anything) is really REALLY bad for you. Smoke in your lungs is no bueno.

It should have to meet all the same criteria to earn the title of "medication."

Likewise I disagree with the media and politicians trying to lump semi-auto guns in with full-auto guns. :) I'm a stickler for strict definitions. Otherwise things get confusing and sometimes dangerous. It's especially true in the scientific and medical worlds. They have to speak the same language and use the same definitions.
 
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