ALG Defense Go-Juice

Nah, always good to share experiences.
welp, in all candor the Echleon racks like the slide has been lapped and put on ball bearings with teflon. Honestly, I cannot use the proper adjectives to properly describe the difference between before and after and it was already cleaned and lubed prior. Go figure. The officer's clone has had similar results. Next is the 1301....although I do wish their grease was still available. maybe from that link posted above by FrankenGlock. Hmmmm....I think that's the purple stuff.
 
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In the words of every Hasidic Glock armorer ever....

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Stop with the oiling! :) A drop of oil can bring an ocean of tears.
 
welp, in all candor the Echleon racks like the slide has been lapped and put on ball bearings with teflon. Honestly, I cannot use the proper adjectives to properly describe the difference between before and after and it was already cleaned and lubed prior. Go figure. The officer's clone has had similar results. Next is the 1301....although I dod wish their grease was still available. maybe from that link posted above by FrankenGlock. Hmmmm....I think that's the purple stuff.
Have you ever used synthetic motor oil for the task?
 
Have you ever used synthetic motor oil for the task?
No I always put my synthetic motor oil in the crankcase. Never tried it on weapons.

Having said that, back in the day, BMW had contracted w/Mobil One for years....suddenly, one year they changed, and went a different direction, and M1 didn't have all the specs BMW allegedly called for.

To this day, I don't know if anybody ever got to the bottom of that question. It's likely just a dollars and cents, contractual issue. So there as (and maybe still is) contention over today's Mobil One vs when they were endorsed by BMW.

Me? I always used Liquid Moly in our 2003 530i.
 
Some claim special formulae. The gun oil biz is a great example of snake oil marketing.

A lot of gun oils - most today - are synthetic. What a lot of consumers don't realize is all synthetics are made from crude oil too. What synthetics really are is molecularly modified petroleum. The molecules are made smaller and more uniform in a complicated refining process so they provide a better lubricating film between two moving parts. Like microscopic ball bearings. Synthetics are also more resistant to heat and dont degrade as quickly as old school oils.

Then there's the non-pretoleum based lubricants. Most of them are highly refined mineral oil with a lot of additives. Others are highly processed plant or seed oils. Products like Froglube or Seal 1 are made from coconut oil. And other ingredients that make them thicker or prevent them from becoming rancid. The non-toxic, edible types borrowed technology from the lubricants developed for food processing equipment.

For quite a while, a lot of the fancy gun oils were actually repackaged turbine oil, which was designed to provide lubrication at high temperatures. It is similar in a lot of ways to transmission fluid. I knew a crusty old career Marine who made his own gun oil from the fluids available from helicopters, jets, armor and other rolling stock. He said, "There ain't no fucking gun stores in Iraq." :) He swore by his home brew for all manner of automatic small arms Marines carry.

Here's fun oil-related fact: Rapeseed oil from Canada was originally developed as a lubricant for locomotives. When steam trains went out of fashion, they renamed rapeseed oil "Canola" and sold it as a grocery item. Because nobody would want to fry their chicken in rapeseed oil. RFK is right about seed oils. Humans shouldn't be eating this shit. But Canola is a credible lubricant for anything mechanical. :) Or an orgy, as @Bobster mentioned recently.

The old saying goes... if you visited a stock yard you would swear off meat forever. Same goes for how seed oils are processed. It looks and works just like an oil refinery. I worked on a project in a plant where they hydrogenate vegetable oils. The caustics they use to facilitate this process ate holes thru the soles of my shoes.
 
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I'll be your huckle-bearer. My Lucas needle tip Extreme Duty Gun Oil bottle is almost empty. I also have an "empty" bottle of Mobil 1 0w40 sitting on my workbench. I bet there is enough lube in one empty bottle to get my other empty bottle back in action for no 💰.

Another lube related comment. I put together a Geisler frame and a Glock Spare Parts gen 3 G34 slide using a Lone Wolf RSA adapter, G20 RSA and a semi-fit barrel with just enough taken off to get the gun into battery. Normally you would use a G17 RSA in this combo but it was too short! A G20 spring did in fact fit and allow the gun to go into battery. But it felt really crunchy. Me being impatient and in the neighborhood of the shooting range I took it down there to sight in the red dot. Sure enough I had to operate the slide by hand between each shot. I got the dot put where I wanted it, tacked up a fresh paper plate, then without thinking, picked up the gun and started shooting. Only now it cycled like a gun is supposed to, even with a loaded 24 round mag.

The slide came assembled with the copper paste on it, which I left in place. Maybe this stuff really does help a gun break in? This gun really has no excuse to be functioning properly. I put 150 rounds through it that day, after the first magazine it was 💯. There might be something to that copper stuff? I was planning to do some more fitting after the range visit. It seems like I can just shoot this grab bag of parts as is...? 🤷
 
I've some of that exact Lucas Oil in the needle applicator, Alex, and what was used prior to the ALG on both my aforementioned pistols. While it's good and I have zero complaints about it, it's not as slick as this stuff. I'm still stunned by the difference.
 
Ok, intrigued. Lemme try the Go-juice. I have bought a Geissle trigger or 2 and they all come with this little pouch of the stuff.
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These things bulge in a plump and menacing way, I have never had the courage to open one. I did find one in the trigger pile, I'll suit up in some PPE and see if it will go into the Lucas bottle. I have imagined it would turn out somewhat like the first time changing a baby boy's diaper. 🐳
 
These things bulge in a plump and menacing way, I have never had the courage to open one.
Take the pointy end of a utility knife blade and pierce the air bubble end--that should keep it from sliming you... :)
 
The rumor is the copper grease does help lap in the slide and rails.

The Austrians use it for a reason.
 
welp, in all candor the Echleon racks like the slide has been lapped and put on ball bearings with teflon. Honestly, I cannot use the proper adjectives to properly describe the difference between before and after and it was already cleaned and lubed prior. Go figure. The officer's clone has had similar results. Next is the 1301....although I do wish their grease was still available. maybe from that link posted above by FrankenGlock. Hmmmm....I think that's the purple stuff.
Lo and behold I saw a bottle of this goop at a gun shop on my way home from WalMart and bought it. It is indeed slippery. I applied it to the Echelon 4.0c.
 
Was this the clear bottle of oil, or the white bottle of purple grease?
 
Was this the clear bottle of oil, or the white bottle of purple grease?
Clear oil.

It was marked down from $18 to $10.

It seems similar to this stuff: https://a.co/d/96zZItV. It is also very slippery. I know Super Lube is silicone based. I don’t know how well it holds up under high heat.
 
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FWIW, I reached out to geiselle via email and asked them if they will be offering any more of their grease in the white bottle. Knowing Geiselle’s AOR of weaponry, I can’t imagine this product doesn’t hold up under high heat as you mention. FA gets pretty toasty mighty quick. Lol

Hoping to hear from them in short order. Meanwhile, I have some other items to lube with their ALG oil.
 
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Not that it really matters... ALG is vegetable (seed oil) based. I may start an oil nerd forum! :)

Judging by the color... I'll take a wild guess. There are only a handful of seed oils with a high smoke point. I'd say it's rapeseed (Canola). Bill Geissle said the seed chosen for their oil is bred specifically for its lubricating properties and viscosity when heated. That's also a hint it's rapeseed oil. Other high viscosity seed oils like avocado or macademia are byproducts. Grapeseed would be another.

In general, vegetable oils lubricate better than petroleum oils. The problem has always been vegetable oils degrade much faster. And have a short shelf life compared to petroleum products.
 
The smoke point on most seed oils is around 450 degrees F. Some are less. It would be extraordinary for any typical civilian gun to get that hot. Barrels and cans can get scorching hot. Especially on long guns. But the action (moving parts)... not as much.
 
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