Polymer80 may survive the court battle but not their own reputation....

I just got this email from Polymer80:

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Peepsight said:
what's the difference between this a regular frame?
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It depends on what you mean by "regular frame."

Assuming that by "regular" you mean 80% frames.

The "bridge" or "76%" frames have additional "blocks" (than the 80% frames) that have to be removed by the builder. The most notoriously difficult is the "web" block in the trigger housing pocket. But there are also additional blocks in the pockets where the front locking block legs go into the frame.

Of course, there are also "100%" (serialized) frames that require no work at all before installing the internal parts.
 
I get that folks here are running in problems. My experiences with P80 have been positive. I contacted them when I started with a Q and they promptly responded. I bought a bridge frame early and they offered the free 80% one during an injunction and promptly sent it to me. Recently I bought a serialized PFS9 which had a QR code for warranty registration and a free mag (bought end of Dec during that sale and had requested delayed shipment due to my travel plans). Anyhow, the URL was broken so I reached out to them via their website and they got back to me in a short amount of time requesting a photo of the frame & serial. I sent that to them and in a day or two had notification of the magazine in transit from the shipping company (in transit, not label created). Not here yet - s/b Tuesday.

I realize the 80% frames right now are a different animal and would be upset if I had paid for something that isn't on its way, but I wanted to put in my two cents about the positive experiences I have had with them.
 
Peepsight said:
what's the difference between this a regular frame?
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There much more work involved removing polymer. It’s very difficult to accomplish. Most people that try it don’t have the patience to slowly remove the material and damage the frame. I’d compare it to when the 80% 1st came out and builders botched those up until they learned how to do it. Some newbies still mess them up.

If you’ve never built an 80% you may be more open to building the 76% bridge frame.

Here’s a photo showing some of the additional work compared to a regular frame.
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Here’s a post on my 76% bridge build

Building the new Bridge (76%) frame ?

I'm still awaiting my new tools. Fully excited to get going on this project to tackle this new challenge. I plan to share my experiences here. So far this is my plan. Tools: 1) I'll be using the standard tools recommended in the MGB videos to complete the frame. Click on more under the video...
www.patriotgunbuilders.com www.patriotgunbuilders.com

Delta team tactical is still selling 80%. They have p80 and SCT brand which looks like p80

Handgun Frames - Delta Team Tactical

www.deltateamtactical.com

Edit- ☝️☝️ ops sorry guys. Thanks for the correction @Steelart99 USPA was they only stand out selling and they are out of stock.
 
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Michele said:
There much more work involved removing polymer. It’s very difficult to accomplish. Most people that try it don’t have the patience to slowly remove the material and damage the frame. I’d compare it to when the 80% 1st came out and builders botched those up until they learned how to do it. Some newbies still mess them up.

If you’ve never built an 80% you may be more open to building the 76% bridge frame.

Here’s a photo showing some of the additional work compared to a regular frame.
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Here’s a post on my 76% bridge build

Building the new Bridge (76%) frame ?

I'm still awaiting my new tools. Fully excited to get going on this project to tackle this new challenge. I plan to share my experiences here. So far this is my plan. Tools: 1) I'll be using the standard tools recommended in the MGB videos to complete the frame. Click on more under the video...
www.patriotgunbuilders.com www.patriotgunbuilders.com

Delta team tactical is still selling 80%. They have p80 and SCT brand which looks like p80

Handgun Frames - Delta Team Tactical

www.deltateamtactical.com
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Ah yes I remember this now. Back when I was looking to build I saw this mess in the 76% and said nope and found the 80% Arms build and very happy with the results.
 
Peepsight said:
Man this thread has wandered off the deep end.
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Thread drift! LOL!

I would LOVE it if someone from Polymer80 would join the conversation here (instead of a random comment buried under a YouTube video.

Plus I think it would work in their favor, instead of letting us speculate what is really going on. I think if they'd clue us in, they'd have our unwavering support.
 
Hvymax said:
It was really hard trying to argue against the stupid ban in my state just because when I was asked how long it takes I had to admit to doing it in 5 minutes and an hour for an AR. Like I said I firmly believe that if you are legal to own it you're legal to make it for your personal use. How do we protect our rights and protect our kids and prevent criminals from getting them? I've been part of the Builder Community for over 40 years starting when I was 13.
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ok, Fed.
 
PaulusInIA said:
ok, Fed.
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I doubt it.

I don't know why the average citizen would be called upon to testify to some state government committee as an expert witness in gun control. That just doesn't happen.

Moreover, Feds aren't trolling forums pretending to be a retired sheet metal worker in Maryland. That is so ridiculous I cant believe that anyone could think it's true. Are they looking? You bet they are. Are government agents sitting at desks reading posts? Pretending to be one of the crew? Come on. Anybody who thinks that happens either has no clue, needs a break from watching CSI TV shows, or seriously needs to see a shrink. It doesn't work that way. Internet monitoring is far more sophisticated. It's automated.

If there's probable cause, a human may investigate. Most likely enabled by a warrant. If an investigator discovers something illegal going on and don't have a warrant, that's a problem. An army of agents with fake personas monitoring literally hundreds of gun forums seeking lawbreakers? It's fantasy.

I have been pretty active here for a while and I have yet to see a single instance of anyone even hinting that they are doing or have done anything illegal. It should also be noted that A Tee Eff agents in the local offices are predominately glorified clerks. Not jackbooted thugs wearing SWAT gear ready to kick in your front door. The guy at the top is a political appointed tool for sure, but the rank and file are just regular people like you and me doing a job. It's mind numbing boring. When they show up in riot gear, it's a special team and there were warrants and evidence of felony activity. Nobody here is that important.
 
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Racer88 said:
You're not helping, and that's bullshit. Sorry, but yeah... Absolutely and provably FALSE.

Grown-ass adults (who aren't career machinists, eh?) have trouble building working examples with UNLIMITED time.


Also bullshit. Prove it. Please show the ACTUAL data (not liberal talking points) that demonstrate PMFs, SPECIFICALLY, are proliferating as a criminal "plague." This is also absolutely false and not supported by actual data. Same goes for assault prevention weapons. You're making THEIR argument.
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that's a Ray Eppes
 
Hvymax said:
It was really hard trying to argue against the stupid ban in my state just because when I was asked how long it takes I had to admit to doing it in 5 minutes and an hour for an AR. Like I said I firmly believe that if you are legal to own it you're legal to make it for your personal use. How do we protect our rights and protect our kids and prevent criminals from getting them? I've been part of the Builder Community for over 40 years starting when I was 13.T
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Late to the party but your argument does not make sense. Gun violence among youth is not a result of easy access to making "👻guns..." It is an issue of failure in parenting and proper guidance. I grew up in an extremely nasty part of Florida where gunshots were commonplace. This was long before you had young kids taking their parent's debit/credit cards and ordering online (again the only problem, is a parent's failure to prevent accessing their credit/debit cards. Not being involved enough to see warning signs... Or failure in teaching their children that violence isn't justified outside of cases of self-defense...) 80% builds... If someone is going to harm someone they will always find a way... Hence why if you look at the UK, their gangs use machetes and knives... Violence is like water, it always finds a way unless it's thoroughly thought out in how to channel it's flow and requires monitoring... Increases in violence among youth are not an issue of weapons being more accessible, it's an issue of parents/guardians failing to be what their title states and a degradation of society's morals and ethics... I can say firsthand that former friends I had never bought 80%s and built them... They got theirs through theft, uncaring foolish storage or even worse uneducated gun owners who wanted a quick buck instead of realizing they were contributing to the problem. If teenagers can find someone to buy them a case of beer or a pack of smokes, you can surely bet they can find someone to buy them other things. The comparison might seem drastic but it really isn't.. People need to self reflect a lot more. 80%s are not synonymous with violence.. Contributing them to be so does nothing but spout ignorance. Compare your repetitive news articles with how many gang-members or active shooters came from troubled homes and lets see who wins... To answer your question after my long rant though... Better parenting, more involvement in your child's life and the lives of the children in your community. Making sure the younger generations know that violence isn't the answer will do a lot more in reducing the raise in crimes than banning things will. Drugs have been outlawed in the US for YEARS, yet drug usage is still on the rise?... Banning things does nothing but create a black market for those things. Pretty sure most recovered addicts would tell you that support and involvement in their life by friends/family did more than the fact a substance was made illegal ever did...
 
Heuristics said:
Late to the party but your argument does not make sense. Gun violence among youth is not a result of easy access to making "👻guns..." It is an issue of failure in parenting and proper guidance. I grew up in an extremely nasty part of Florida where gunshots were commonplace. This was long before you had young kids taking their parent's debit/credit cards and ordering online (again the only problem, is a parent's failure to prevent accessing their credit/debit cards. Not being involved enough to see warning signs... Or failure in teaching their children that violence isn't justified outside of cases of self-defense...) 80% builds... If someone is going to harm someone they will always find a way... Hence why if you look at the UK, their gangs use machetes and knives... Violence is like water, it always finds a way unless it's thoroughly thought out in how to channel it's flow and requires monitoring... Increases in violence among youth are not an issue of weapons being more accessible, it's an issue of parents/guardians failing to be what their title states and a degradation of society's morals and ethics... I can say firsthand that former friends I had never bought 80%s and built them... They got theirs through theft, uncaring foolish storage or even worse uneducated gun owners who wanted a quick buck instead of realizing they were contributing to the problem. If teenagers can find someone to buy them a case of beer or a pack of smokes, you can surely bet they can find someone to buy them other things. The comparison might seem drastic but it really isn't.. People need to self reflect a lot more. 80%s are not synonymous with violence.. Contributing them to be so does nothing but spout ignorance. Compare your repetitive news articles with how many gang-members or active shooters came from troubled homes and lets see who wins... To answer your question after my long rant though... Better parenting, more involvement in your child's life and the lives of the children in your community. Making sure the younger generations know that violence isn't the answer will do a lot more in reducing the raise in crimes than banning things will. Drugs have been outlawed in the US for YEARS, yet drug usage is still on the rise?... Banning things does nothing but create a black market for those things. Pretty sure most recovered addicts would tell you that support and involvement in their life by friends/family did more than the fact a substance was made illegal ever did...
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Well said. hvymax appears to have bailed out of PGB. Gone with the wind.
 

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