The "Tank" build diary! This thing is going to be nuts!

OK... I gave the barrel a cleaning. And then I borescoped it. Once with a right-angle attachment. And also without an attachment (straight on). Video is of both approaches. I don't see anything obvious. But admittedly, I may simply be oblivious. See what you think.

View: https://odysee.com/@PatriotGunBuilders:6/The-Tank-borescope:4
 
I see nothing!
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The lint fuzz from cleaning patches around the ports is a clue that they are not smooth and have some burrs. Fire lapping was all the rage in the 90's. I wonder if that would smooth things out?

Under good magnification, such as the bore scope video, even minor imperfections look horrific. To the naked eye, they look great. Don't freak when it looks scary under magnification. When I'm working on watch parts, things that look perfect normally, look like garbage at 10 to 30x magnification. Trust me, new parts look just as bad under the same magnification.
 
Is that a lot of copper or is that just the magnification?
 
Is that a lot of copper or is that just the magnification?
I saw some copper, but certainly not what I would consider "a lot."

This build has only 642 rounds through it.
 
You don’t need to reload in order to do it.
I don’t reload.
Just know it’s a reloads trick to figure out how the barrel sizes.

I hate to do this to you but I shoot better groups with my .380 mouse gun with a 2.25 inch barrel at 15’ and I generally suck at handguns.

May I suggest a name change to The Ghost.
 
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That barrel looks fine to me. This is a precision instrument.
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This is not
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The barrel being a problem was logical but seemed unlikely to me. I'm back to thinking it was the gun moving around in the rest. At ten yards it should be close to a ragged 2-3 inch hole.
 
You don’t need to reload in order to do it.
I don’t reload.
Just know it’s a reloads trick to figure out how the barrel sizes.
And what do I do with that information?

I hate to do this to you but I shoot better groups with my .380 mouse gun with a 2.25 inch barrel at 15’ and I generally suck at handguns.
I can shoot better groups, too. I did this 5-shot group at 10 yards with my "Cobalt Celtic" build:

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I may pony up for a Bar-Sto barrel.
 
So... you know my ex?
Unless you slugged your ex...
Can someone help me convince him to try it since he's convinced its some parlor trick.

Egg sinkers are the best/cheapest things I've found for slugging barrels. Buy ones close to the size you need or smash them to fit. Drive them through from the chamber end using wood dowels slightly smaller than your bore and your hammer of choice.
For 9mm, I use 36 cal lead round balls for black powder, and piece of wood dowel rod. Works well
A soft lead bullet is easy to tap through the barrel, and if you pay close attention you can spot any tight or loose spots in the bore. After the bullet drops out of the chamber, all you have to do is measure it at its widest point to find the groove diameter of your barrel.
 
Unless you slugged your ex...
Can someone help me convince him to try it since he's convinced its some parlor trick.
Or if I determine it's not me and it IS the barrel... I could just buy a better barrel. :)

I'm going to try a different ammo first.
 
Slugging is not a parlor trick at all. If dealing with an older firearm or war time production, it is perfectly valid. A gun can go from 10" groups to 1" groups by sizing bullets to bore. It helps greatly with leading problems on revolvers. A made in the USA barrel, any time in the last 15 years, slugging the bore would be the last thing I would check. And, only if it were a valuable item. Will a $22 barrel have looser tolerances than a $300 premium barrel? Absolutely. The $300 will have a perfect crown, no burrs in the ports, concentric chamber and bore, polished feed ramp, tighter lock up, etc. The $22 barrel will probably have tighter tolerances than a 1900s Colt but it won't have all the finishing touches. The last 2% is 98% of the cost. You won't see chatter marks in an expensive barrel but beyond fouling faster, chatter marks are not going to hurt much that can be observed in a pistol. Bench rest shooters where matches are decided by a tenth of an inch, it matters.

Sadly or luckily, however you look at it, a new barrel is cheaper than all the gear to slug a bore. Let's say slug it and the bore is oversized. You have to decide if you want to order specially sized bullets for that one gun, reload for it, keep that ammo segregated and make sure you don't feed it in other guns. Would I do this for a parts matching pre war Luger? Absolutely. Is it worth it for a modern 9mm when you have several to feed? Not really. Buy a different barrel from a different manufacturer and see if it tightens up. Preferably with the fewest add ons like porting as possible. You have a problem child, eliminate as many variables as possible. If you want a ported barrel, research who does porting correctly and pay up. If it turns out the iffy porting is the cause of inaccuracy, well, you have proof in your hands that it is true.

Regarding the crown. The crown is the last thing the bullet touches on its way out. The crown is only as good as the last time it was inspected and nothing touched it. It could easily get a ding sitting in a range bag. The different crown shapes and angles help to prevent damage but damage is always a possibility. Just because it looked good new is no guarantee that something didn't get to along the way. A burr in the porting is going to scrape the bullet and change the diameter right before it leaves the barrel. It will have less of an effect than a damaged crown but it can't be good for accuracy.
 
new barrel is cheaper than all the gear to slug a bore.
How is an egg sinker and a wooden dowel expensive?
He’s already got every else.
You tap it through then use a micrometer.
Easy piecy, lemon squeezy.
( Yes I stole that from MGB)
 
And what do I do with that information?


I can shoot better groups, too. I did this 5-shot group at 10 yards with my "Cobalt Celtic" build:

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Sorry to go off topic. I was at the range with a friend once. He just got a new Bulgarian Makarov. He asked if I wanted to try a magazine so I did. Now, being a blatant copy of the Walter PP, I knew the barrel was pinned in place and this arrangement was prone to good accuracy. I fired the first round and it went exactly where I expected. So, I finished off the mag. He pulled the target in and started laughing at me because there was one hole in the target. I told him to look up at the scoring legend at the top of the target. The little miniature target, about 2-3", at the top that explains the scoring rings. Five shots in the bullseye of that. I was amused, he muttered some words suggesting I do something unflattering to myself. All in good fun.
 
A gun can go from 10" groups to 1" groups by sizing bullets to bore. It helps greatly with leading problems on revolvers. A made in the USA barrel, any time in the last 15 years, slugging the bore would be the last thing I would check. And, only if it were a valuable item.
Exactly what I was thinking.

Sadly or luckily, however you look at it, a new barrel is cheaper than all the gear to slug a bore. Let's say slug it and the bore is oversized. You have to decide if you want to order specially sized bullets for that one gun, reload for it, keep that ammo segregated and make sure you don't feed it in other guns. Would I do this for a parts matching pre war Luger? Absolutely. Is it worth it for a modern 9mm when you have several to feed? Not really. Buy a different barrel from a different manufacturer and see if it tightens up.
Bingo again. If it is indeed the barrel... Lesson learned and get a new better barrel. Done and done.
 
How is an egg sinker and a wooden dowel expensive?
He’s already got every else.
You tap it through then use a micrometer.
Easy piecy, lemon squeezy.
( Yes I stole that from MGB)
Yes... but all that MIGHT do is confirm what I already suspect... hotdog in a hallway. Solution: Get a new barrel.

Or... I can skip the mental and technical diagnostic masturbation.... and just buy a new barrel.

It's not an antique for which I'm going to make my own custom ammo. This is a modern semi-auto range toy.

But first, I'm going to try some different ammo and try to rule out "user error" before putting the blame entirely on the barrel.
 
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