Does anyone carry one of their builds?

Most of us have more money invested in our builds than, say, a stock glock. So should any incident occur that would deprive me of my weapon, even temporarily, I would prefer it to be the cheaper one. I carry either my G43 or 26 instead of their pmf versions, which I have a lot more in
My perspective is that I want to carry what works best in my hand. If it happens to be expensive, so be it. My life is worth losing ANY gun. If somehow losing the gun in the process is the worst thing that happens... that's a win.

My new(ish) P80 PFC9 EDC was built because Glock didn't make exactly what I wanted. Though I carried a stock Glock for many years before (G27).
 
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My perspective is that I want to carry what works best in my hand. If it happens to be expensive, so be it. My life is worth losing ANY gun. If somehow losing the gun in the process is the worst thing that happens... that's a win.
I’m of the same mind. I know people that think I’m crazy for carrying my Les Baer. If I need to use it and come out alive, it’s well worth the price of admission. I like to use the example of when I was into sport bikes. When I committed to always wearing a helmet (yeah I was young and dumb for a while) I researched and bought one of the lightest and most well ventilated helmets I could. It cost $750 at the time and my buddy said he’d never spend more than $125 for a helmet. I looked at him and said “it’s only your head”.
 
I researched and bought one of the lightest and most well ventilated helmets I could. It cost $750 at the time and my buddy said he’d never spend more than $125 for a helmet. I looked at him and said “it’s only your head”.

Back when I did the car track thing, we had a saying... "Get a $100 helmet if you've got a $100 head." :)
 
Just made this animated gif of my "EDC."
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It ain't a Glock. You need a "P80" or "PGB" stand to put that thing on! ;)

I know! I know! It's the only white stand I have right now. One of these days, I'll commission someone to make a bunch of "PGB" stands.
 
It cost $750 at the time and my buddy said he’d never spend more than $125 for a helmet. I looked at him and said “it’s only your head”.

Back when I did the car track thing, we had a saying... "Get a $100 helmet if you've got a $100 head." :)

I spent $350 on a SHOEI back in the day but the quality and features made it worth every penny. The face shield had rounded edges so no whistling at speed and there were some strategic vents that helped keep the inside fog down on cold and rainy days. :)
 
I have a sincere, legitimate question. The guns we built are meant to be tools to protect ourselves with. We’ve crafted them, tested them, they are safe & reliable & likely higher quality than mere factory. But the consistent theme is is ‘i dont carry what i built because im afraid if it being used against me in court’. Then why bother? Seriously. It seems pointless.
 
Surprisingly, an advanced search with "Carry" in the title yielded no results on this topic. I build the P80 version of the G43 and built it with complete OEM parts, including magazines (with Pearce +2 extensions, though) and have been carrying it frequently. I know OEM parts are not absolutely required, but this gun has never bobbled a single round, it runs, well, like a Glock.

A hot debate is should you or should you not carry a modified handgun. Some say box-stock only, others say it doesn't matter, especially if it's not to make the gun easier to fire. For instance, my putting a + connector in my G45 increases trigger pull weight and would be no problem.

In PA, 👻guns are legal, I got a wonderful holster from Knightfall Customs, and have been happily carrying my little gun for almost a year. Does anyone else do this, or are you only carrying branded guns for self-defense?
I carried my first one, a P80 compact for three years. I went back to my 1911. No problem with my P80, it's great! No failures. I'm just addicted to my 1911. I shoot it very well.
 
I have a sincere, legitimate question. The guns we built are meant to be tools to protect ourselves with. We’ve crafted them, tested them, they are safe & reliable & likely higher quality than mere factory. But the consistent theme is is ‘i dont carry what i built because im afraid if it being used against me in court’. Then why bother? Seriously. It seems pointless.
I did carry my P80 compact for a few years. I went back to my 1911 because I really like and shoot it well.
I will carry one of my P80s again. That is why I built them. I also have a Walther PDP compact 5 I'm looking for a carry system for.
 
I have a sincere, legitimate question. The guns we built are meant to be tools to protect ourselves with. We’ve crafted them, tested them, they are safe & reliable & likely higher quality than mere factory. But the consistent theme is is ‘i dont carry what i built because im afraid if it being used against me in court’. Then why bother? Seriously. It seems pointless.

I didn't originally build any of my P80s to protect myself in or outside the home. I've got plenty of factory guns that I acquired many years ago for that purpose. I got into building P80s as another facet of the firearms hobby. The intent for my builds was purely as "range toys." I suspect the same is true for many here.

That said, when it came time for me to consider changing my EDC (from a Glock 27), I came to the conclusion that I could build exactly what I wanted instead of compromising some features with a factory gun. The commercial manufacturers didn't make exactly what I wanted.

In order to hedge my legal bets, I built a serialized P80. So, I didn't have to drill the holes or mill any frame blocks. But otherwise a customized P80 (all internal parts OEM Glock)... with a serial number. It's stupid, but here we are.

Unfortunately, we do have to consider legal issues... but not the LEGALITY. PMFs are legal at the federal level and MOST states. That, we know. The potential problem is the legal OPTICS of using an unserialized (but technically legal) PMF in self-defense. And unfortunately, optics play a role in the outcome of a trial. So, it's a gamble. And we each have to factor in our personal tolerance for risk.

I know there are firearms enthusiasts who STRICTLY consider them ONLY a "tool" for self-defense. They scoff at "gucci builds," for example. I strongly disagree. Guns can have many functions / uses.... including being recreational. I can have dress shoes and casual shoes and running shoes and hiking boots, etc. Same with guns. Some of my guns are for FUN.
 
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Surprisingly, an advanced search with "Carry" in the title yielded no results on this topic. I build the P80 version of the G43 and built it with complete OEM parts, including magazines (with Pearce +2 extensions, though) and have been carrying it frequently. I know OEM parts are not absolutely required, but this gun has never bobbled a single round, it runs, well, like a Glock.

A hot debate is should you or should you not carry a modified handgun. Some say box-stock only, others say it doesn't matter, especially if it's not to make the gun easier to fire. For instance, my putting a + connector in my G45 increases trigger pull weight and would be no problem.

In PA, 👻guns are legal, I got a wonderful holster from Knightfall Customs, and have been happily carrying my little gun for almost a year. Does anyone else do this, or are you only carrying branded guns for self-defense?
Yep, I carry one of my builds almost every day. I regularly alternate with my SS80 G43 build from The Glock Store, w/Suarez International slide, a Polymer80 P19 build w/SwampFox slide, and a P17 build w/Suarez Intl. slide. All three run flawlessly in the field and are as reliable as any Glock I own.
 
Yep, I carry one of my builds almost every day. I regularly alternate with my SS80 G43 build from The Glock Store, w/Suarez International slide, a Polymer80 P19 build w/SwampFox slide, and a P17 build w/Suarez Intl. slide. All three run flawlessly in the field and are as reliable as any Glock I own.
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I didn't originally build any of my P80s to protect myself in or outside the home. I've got plenty of factory guns that I acquired many years ago for that purpose. I got into building P80s as another facet of the firearms hobby. The intent for my builds was purely as "range toys." I suspect the same is true for many here.

That said, when it came time for me to consider changing my EDC (from a Glock 27), I came to the conclusion that I could build exactly what I wanted instead of compromising some features with a factory gun. The commercial manufacturers didn't make exactly what I wanted.

In order to hedge my legal bets, I built a serialized P80. So, I didn't have to drill the holes or mill any frame blocks. But otherwise a customized P80 (all internal parts OEM Glock)... with a serial number. It's stupid, but here we are.

Unfortunately, we do have to consider legal issues... but not the LEGALITY. PMFs are legal at the federal level and MOST states. That, we know. The potential problem is the legal OPTICS of using an unserialized (but technically legal) PMF in self-defense. And unfortunately, optics play a role in the outcome of a trial. So, it's a gamble. And we each have to factor in our personal tolerance for risk.

I know there are firearms enthusiasts who STRICTLY consider them ONLY a "tool" for self-defense. They scoff at "gucci builds," for example. I strongly disagree. Guns can have many functions / uses.... including being recreational. I can have dress shoes and casual shoes and running shoes and hiking boots, etc. Same with guns. Some of my guns are for FUN.
Im very close in viewpoint to what you wrote. Nothing factory has ever been a good fit for me. So i made my own. They both range guns for fun & self-defense tools. I think factory vs privately made firearms is a moot legal argument. Either you had a good shoot & the jury will believe you, or you have a jury stacked against you & it wont matter. These are just my own opinions, worth all you paid for them. 🙂
 
Im very close in viewpoint to what you wrote. Nothing factory has ever been a good fit for me. So i made my own. They both range guns for fun & self-defense tools. I think factory vs privately made firearms is a moot legal argument. Either you had a good shoot & the jury will believe you, or you have a jury stacked against you & it wont matter. These are just my own opinions, worth all you paid for them. 🙂

I agree that's entirely possible and certainly what SHOULD be entirely correct.

But I figure with a P80 PFC9 serialized build, I got the best of both worlds, so to speak. I get what I want for EDC, and if gawd-forbid I am forced to defend myself, the serial number heads the activist prosecutors off at the pass. :)

I truly hope I never have to find out. So far, so good. I've carried for 27 years and never even had to put my hand on it. I hope it stays that way.
 
Im very close in viewpoint to what you wrote. Nothing factory has ever been a good fit for me. So i made my own. They both range guns for fun & self-defense tools. I think factory vs privately made firearms is a moot legal argument. Either you had a good shoot & the jury will believe you, or you have a jury stacked against you & it wont matter. These are just my own opinions, worth all you paid for them. 🙂
I think the biggest pitfall you come across is the "you made that gun to kill someone" claim a prosecutor could make same with should you use reloads in your defense. Can't imagine either alone causes a conviction though I could see both of them being a "pile it on" scenario.

The only SCs I own right now are a G26 and G27 on a P80 frame. Both are pretty comfortable to carry. Less than a G43 but better than a G19. I own factory and PMFs of the latter which all shoot well. To some extent we all may be over thinking it. I pray none of us on this forum has to be concerned with the issue but it does reach a point that if we are concerned then we "already won" as we survived the encounter. I can't see someone in a free state being prosecuted for using a PMF alone - the PMF would just be "piling on" the charges.

Frankly, I am a little concerned about sharing range reports with pictures of targets with holes. On the one hand it demonstrates you took the time to learn to responsibly wield such power and could use it safely on the other it demonstrates that you "took the time to learn to kill". Too many variables ....
 
I truly hope I never have to find out. So far, so good. I've carried for 27 years and never even had to put my hand on it. I hope it stays that way.

Amen! It isn't where I ever want to be either.
 
I think the biggest pitfall you come across is the "you made that gun to kill someone" claim a prosecutor could make same with should you use reloads in your defense. Can't imagine either alone causes a conviction though I could see both of them being a "pile it on" scenario.
Well, if we're playing Devil's Advocate, we could also speculate a prosecutor saying "You BOUGHT that gun to kill someone."

I can't see someone in a free state being prosecuted for using a PMF alone - the PMF would just be "piling on" the charges.
I hope so. I imagine it's a matter of time before such a case happens.

Frankly, I am a little concerned about sharing range reports with pictures of targets with holes. On the one hand it demonstrates you took the time to learn to responsibly wield such power and could use it safely on the other it demonstrates that you "took the time to learn to kill".
I think we can also carry the Devil's Advocate scenarios too far and worry ourselves to death. If we were to carry such worries to a logical conclusion, we could only surmise that mere participation on gun forums would be equally damning.

I'm not learning to kill. I've learned to SAVE a life... my own.... by competence with the tool that enables me to stop an attack.
 
Well, if we're playing Devil's Advocate, we could also speculate a prosecutor saying "You BOUGHT that gun to kill someone."


I hope so. I imagine it's a matter of time before such a case happens.


I think we can also carry the Devil's Advocate scenarios too far and worry ourselves to death. If we were to carry such worries to a logical conclusion, we could only surmise that mere participation on gun forums would be equally damning.

I'm not learning to kill. I've learned to SAVE a life... my own.... by competence with the tool that enables me to stop an attack.
It is all a catch-22 as it depends on who is assessing the situation. I'd like to think I am a fairly rational person and would give someone reasonable benefit of doubt. Can't always assume that will be the case though if you believe polls (which I do question) an increasing # of folks in the US are pro gun/pro self defense, so it does come back to where the incident happens. If you get to trial you've won and lost - won as you are alive and lost as you got charged.

Ultimately, "be prepared" per the Boy Scouts motto.
 
I flipped and flopped on this for months after posting this. I finallly decided the leftist commie assholes are gonna do what they are gonna do, and nothing I do or don't do is going to affect that. Look at Alvin Bragg in NYC FFS. If ever there was and example of "A grand jury can indict a ham sandwich", or "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime", we are living in it today.

Nothing we do is going to affect that. If you're tried in "Pennsyltucky" you're probably OK, if you're tried in Philadelphia, you are well and truly screwed (Google Larry Krasner). That's just a fact. So screw, 'em, I quit flip-flopping on this, and I carry my SSC any time I want. And I'm not going to have it serialized (YMMV). I do think it is pretty stupid to have "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" engraved on your slide, or have a Punisher logo on your slide end cap, but barring that sort of nonsense, make sure it's a good shoot and what will happen will happen. In a place like Philly (or NYC, Chicago, San Franshitshow, etc) screw defending on the laws, just go for the jury on emotion and what would they have done in that situation. Forget the DAs and judges, go for the heartstrings of the jury. They're the only ones who can save you, in the end.

How many Jan 6 peeps are STILL in jail? Who is helping them? I rest my case. Once I finally came to terms we live in a lawless country, or the law is capriciously applied based on your political leanings, the law became basically an irrelevancy in my mind. Do what you think you must/should, and don't worry about it.
 
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