Video Ay, ay, ay... People are STUPID (with guns).

Bongo Lewi said:
Stupid old man. I don't think I could restrain myself from knocking a couple of his teeth out.
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I was surprised the gun shop clerk didn't command him to step away from the gun and get on the ground.... at gunpoint.
 
The gun just went off.... uh huh. You can see he pulled the trigger. Fucking idiot. Could easily have killed that guy behind the counter. Or those other customers.

The counter guy made all the wrong defensive moves though. He should have drawn immediately, moved away from the muzzle (the asshole was still pointing it after the shot) and told the guy to set the gun down, hands up and and get on his knees. Loudly and with authority.

We are viewing this in slow motion after the fact. Imagine being there when this happened in real time.

If grandpa didn't drop the gun and get on the floor, the counter guy would not be out of line shooting him. His intentions were unknown.
 
Racer88 said:
Door Dash dude comes back to house to demand a bigger tip. Gets disarmed by homeowner.


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Here's your tip.... Don't ever point a gun at me.

Seriously... this numbskull is lucky he's still got a pulse. I can't imagine what he was thinking showing up with a gun to bitch about a tip. he very obviously a mental defective. Henceforth, he loses his right to own a firearm.

I personally would not get into a grapple with a guy pointing a pistol at me. I would eliminate the threat. No discussion.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
Here's your tip.... Don't ever point a gun at me.

Seriously... this numbskull is lucky he's still got a pulse. I can't imagine what he was thinking showing up with a gun to bitch about a tip. he very obviously a mental defective. Henceforth, he loses his right to own a firearm.

I personally would not get into a grapple with a guy pointing a pistol at me. I would eliminate the threat. No discussion.
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Apparently the door dash idiot didn't draw the gun. It was in his waistband (presumably without a holster). And during the scuffle, the victim felt / noticed the gun and took it... and then rendered it safe / unloaded.
 
Racer88 said:
Apparently the door dash idiot didn't draw the gun. It was in his waistband (presumably without a holster). And during the scuffle, the victim felt / noticed the gun and took it... and then rendered it safe / unloaded.
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Ah. If he didnt draw the weapon I would just knock his teeth out and call it a day. :)
 
Bongo Lewi said:
Ah. If he didnt draw the weapon I would just knock his teeth out and call it a day. :)
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I'm betting you'd disarm him, like the victim here did, given the opportunity. The smart thing to do.
 
Someone carrying doesn't make me nervous. On the other hand, a guy who is angry, seems to be on the ledge, knocking on my door with a gun? He better keep his hands where I can see them and nowhere near the grip.

This is one of those situations where a shotgun with a nice, stout stock is useful. I prefer tactical furniture or the birdshead on home defense shotties, but there's something to be said about butt-stroking an angry guy at your door. Right across the jaw. That's a ticket to a visit with an oral and maxillofacial surgeon. No shooting necessary.

My biz partner broke his jaw in a dirt bike spill when he was young. He said it's the worst injury/pain he has ever had - and the guy is a total badass and decorated combat vet. You also have to eat from a straw for several weeks. Not fun.
 

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Yep... that's an M&P 15-22 (.22LR), and the mag is at least mostly empty. Mind you, it's still a firearm that can hurt or kill someone.

The "patriotic 'Murica" flag-waving Jeep driving by was ironic. Also... I could not understand a word of what was said by either person.
 
Racer88 said:

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Yep... that's an M&P 15-22 (.22LR), and the mag is at least mostly empty. Mind you, it's still a firearm that can hurt or kill someone.

The "patriotic 'Murica" flag-waving Jeep driving by was ironic. Also... I could not understand a word of what was said by either person.
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I don't understand what this is about either but it looks like a good way to get shot by a cop.

The 22LR is absolutely lethal at 200 yards. Some say as far as 400 yards if it doesn't hit the ground first and lands in something vital.

People should once again be able to buy these small caliber guns at hardware stores along with a bucket-o-ammo. No ID required. What could go wrong? Maybe also at 7-11. For convenience sake. :)
 
Bongo Lewi said:
People should once again be able to buy these small caliber guns at hardware stores along with a bucket-o-ammo. No ID required. What could go wrong? Maybe also at 7-11. For convenience sake. :)
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You can buy beer at the convenience store, drink it in the lot, and proceed to plow down a school bus stop of children. Ban it! Ban it all! Because "this is why we can't have nice things." Let's punish the law-abiding people for things criminals do!
 
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Racer88 said:
You can buy beer at the convenience store, drink it in the lot, and proceed to plow down a school bus stop of children. Ban it! Ban it all! Because "this is why we can't have nice things." Let's punish the law-abiding people for things criminals do!
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You make my point. The reason we have all these rules is people do get drunk in the parking lot of a 7-11 and run into a schoolbus. It's why we have laws about drinking in public, driving wile intoxicated, and sobriety checkpoints on major roads. All of which infringe on the personal freedoms of people who never engage in that behavior. Rules and more rules. The reason we cant have anything nice.

It's kind of a catch 22 isnt it? You let people do whatever they want and a high percentage of them will do something fucked up that injures or kills innocent people. Or you make and enforce laws that deter some of that, which penalizes people who are responsible.

Every drunk driver who gets busted before he kills somebody is a win for society. Just like busting a lunatic walking around an urban neighborhood brandishing a semi-automatic rifle before she shoots somebody. Even if it's a 22LR. Or not selling her the gun in the first place if she is a mental defective or felon.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
. The reason we have all these rules is people do get drunk in the parking lot of a 7-11 and run into a schoolbus. It's why we have laws about drinking in public, driving wile intoxicated, and sobriety checkpoints on major roads.
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You make MY point.... which is you can still get beer at 7-11, AND the laws do NOTHING to prevent stupidity and crime. Gun control is like making it harder for sober people to buy a car.

As my Navy Chief said, "Makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine."
 
Racer88 said:
AND the laws do NOTHING to prevent stupidity and crime.
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Actually, they do. Drinking in public places—including sidewalks, parks, stadiums, and beaches—is considered illegal in most jurisdictions in the U.S. Penalties range from hundreds of dollars in fines to jail time in some places. Some touristy places allow it.

The rules are there to provide guidelines and discourage the majority - and punish the stupid. You cant say it doesnt stop people from doing it. Of course it does. Speed limits don't stop anyone but sensible people obey them because they dont want the penalty. And they know it's not safe to drive recklessly.

No intelligent person thinks having no rules makes sense. Society, religion, education, it's all about rules and compliance. The absence of it is anarchy and chaos. A world governed by morons and mobs. The problem with guns is the minority of bad people wreak havoc with them, so society overcorrects with draconian gun laws. Rules on top of rules and bureaucracy.


Closing argument and core point in all of the mostly idiotic other thread is that the gun community has become polluted with toxic idiots who have made it hard for law abiding people exercising their right to own firearms. Politicians bend to public opinion, which has turned negative toward guns because of the actions of a few. When you tolerate jackassery, this is what happens. Rules on top of rules.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
The rules are there to provide guidelines and discourage the majority - and punish the stupid. You cant say it doesnt stop people from doing it. Of course it does.
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Nope. It doesn't. It's not what stops me from drinking and driving. Common sense and a moral compass are what prevent me from doing that.... not that I might be punished.

In fact, such laws do nothing to PREVENT it, and the proof is in the pudding. Nobody makes that decision based on the law. They make it based on their own moral compass and sense.

But that's not to suggest I'm arguing against having such laws. Those laws serve to justifiably punish / penalize those who violate them. But I do not suffer the delusion that laws prevent crime.

Criminals be criminaling, no matter what. They have accepted the risks of being caught and brought to justice as being LOWER than the benefits of getting away with the crime. But the decision to commit a crime or not commit a crime does not hinge on the existence of a law.

Just as a "No Guns" sign has never ever stopped a criminal from doing bad things with a gun in such a place. Rather it could be argued that it encourages crime, as the victims have been disarmed for the convenience of the criminal.


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