Polymer80 may survive the court battle but not their own reputation....

[USApat]

@Hvymax

Probably against forum rules for decorum, but when you post "news" from NBC, WAPO, and other lamestream media sources, you just prove to the rest of us forum members you are a horse's ass. Good lord, with all the evidence of lamestream media propaganda about everything from guns to climate change to the border crisis you are just loudly broadcasting your ignorance from the highest mountain top. You're not worth responding too. I wasted 2 minutes typing this.

I recognize that hair. Frank Doubleday "Bad Boy" arm swaggers into the room.
Speaks.
Shows the finger.
Hisses a satisfied exhale at the 1:06 min mark.
And folks scram fast.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li2aHcZZaLs

 

[Racer88]

As a teenager, I too could have built a gun I always wanted. Or, I could have opened the glass case where my Dad kept his guns and taken one. Much easier. I didn't because I was brought up to respect firearms and my Dad would have kicked my ass if I did. I was able to buy .22LR as a kid at the local hardware store. With a note from my parents and the owner knew me.

At my school, it was common to see guns in the rear window racks of pick-up trucks. My schoolmates often went hunting before and after school. The school also hosted a hunter safety course (required by state to get hunting license).

I bought my first gun (an H&R single shot 12-gauge) all by myself at age 16 in the sporting goods department of Gibson's. No gun license or "permit" needed. No parental permission. I also regularly bought ammo at the local hardware store (Western Auto).

Most guys at school carried a pocketknife. Mine was a Buck 112 variant.

There were guns and knives EVERYWHERE. Nobody got shot. Nobody got stabbed.

 

[Hvymax]

@Hvymax

Probably against forum rules for decorum, but when you post "news" from NBC, WAPO, and other lamestream media sources, you just prove to the rest of us forum members you are a horse's ass. Good lord, with all the evidence of lamestream media propaganda about everything from guns to climate change to the border crisis you are just loudly broadcasting your ignorance from the highest mountain top. You're not worth responding too. I wasted 2 minutes typing this.

How many of you have been testifying against anti 2A laws for about 30 years? I have personally come up with the argument that shut down dozens of bills in committee. I made the case of legal to own it legal to make it, thousands of law abiding citizens enjoy this hobby and that Americans have been doing this since we were Colonists etc. Then came the questions. Can you order these directly to your home and buy them in stores without checks? Obviously yes. How long does it take ME to finish: a polymer pistol frame? About 5 minutes. How long to mill an 80% rifle kit? About an hour. My opinion on the skill level necessary? For me about 12.
Then came testimony about dozens of children ordering, acquiring, completing and selling these. How felons were buying, completing and using them etc.
Unfortunately Only a Moral Society can be trusted with rights. America can't survive anything less. We have completed Tytlers Cycle right on schedule.

 

[Hvymax]

@Hvymax

Probably against forum rules for decorum, but when you post "news" from NBC, WAPO, and other lamestream media sources, you just prove to the rest of us forum members you are a horse's ass. Good lord, with all the evidence of lamestream media propaganda about everything from guns to climate change to the border crisis you are just loudly broadcasting your ignorance from the highest mountain top. You're not worth responding too. I wasted 2 minutes typing this.

He asked and those were the first of hundreds of results of a Google Search.

 

[James Moore]

If these Poly80's had been available I probably would have been making them in Jr High School with nobody noticing.

Typical. You youngsters think the world begins and ends with you. Until Libtards with the same illogical thinking as you got the GCA passed, you could order just about any firearm you wanted from the Sears Roebuck, delivered right to your home.

My first firearm purchase was a 7mm Mauser ordered from the back of a Comic book.

Access to firearms isn't the problem, acceptance of idiocy is.

 

[Hvymax]

At my school, it was common to see guns in the rear window racks of pick-up trucks. My schoolmates often went hunting before and after school. The school also hosted a hunter safety course (required by state to get hunting license).

I bought my first gun (an H&R single shot 12-gauge) all by myself at age 16 in the sporting goods department of Gibson's. No gun license or "permit" needed. No parental permission. I also regularly bought ammo at the local hardware store (Western Auto).

Most guys at school carried a pocketknife. Mine was a Buck 112 variant.

There were guns and knives EVERYWHERE. Nobody got shot. Nobody got stabbed.

Mine as well. Back then if a family wasn't in one Church or another every weekend they were Pariahs. America was only ever suitable for a Moral Educated Population. It can't survive anything less.

 

[Racer88]

My opinion on the skill level necessary? For me about 12.

And there's the DELUSION. And the proof is under your nose. Most adults who attempt this have problems. These were done by adults who wonder why their P80 builds don't work:


That said.... arguing about the DIFFICULTY or "EASE" of building is irrelevant and moot. Constitutional Rights are binary. Either you assert them with the protection of the Constitution.... or you don't. They are not subject to conditions... or even the presence or absence of "morals."

 

[A229]

How long does it take ME to finish: a polymer pistol frame? About 5 minutes. How long to mill an 80% rifle kit? About an hour. My opinion on the skill level necessary? For me about 12.
Then came testimony about dozens of children ordering, acquiring, completing and selling these. How felons were buying, completing and using them etc.

Your skill does not correlate to the skill of the mass population.

Why do we have people on this forum that seem to hate the idea of privately made firearms being legal to order to your home? Why are you even here??

Why would you ever want to have LESS rights??

 

[Hvymax]

Typical. You youngsters think the world begins and ends with you. Until Libtards with the same illogical thinking as you got the GCA passed, you could order just about any firearm you wanted from the Sears Roebuck, delivered right to your home.

My first firearm purchase was a 7mm Mauser ordered from the back of a Comic book.

Access to firearms isn't the problem, acceptance of idiocy is.

It was the 70's. 13 year old logic would be how cool it was to be able to make something this cool and how was I going to fund my hobbies. How cool it would be to have older people seeking me out for what to me would be a great time not to mention the money. It was the decade of Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll!!! Imagine being a 13 year old with the keys to it all. Fortunately I didn't have this as a temptation back then.

 

[Racer88]

It was the 70's. 13 year old logic would be how cool it was to be able to make something this cool and how was I going to fund my hobbies. How cool it would be to have older people seeking me out for what to me would be a great time not to mention the money. It was the decade of Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll!!! Imagine being a 13 year old with the keys to it all. Fortunately I didn't have this as a temptation back then.

And you haven't even mentioned 3D printing. Rut-roh! Anyone... perhaps even a 13 year old... with a simple spool of nylon filament and a laptop can go from 0% to 100% at the click of a mouse! OMG! OMG! 80% frames?!?? BAH!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ye_T9TKG5c
Can't stop the signal... of Freedom.

It gets VERY dangerous when you hold yourself as the arbiter of who gets to exercise their Constitutionally-protected Rights. Predicating Rights upon some social, political, "moral," or cultural litmus test is folly, and it WILL backfire. On you! It's only a matter of time. Never minding that it contradicts the entire premise of Constitutionally-protected Human Rights.

Lenin had a term for such people. Be very careful what you wish for, eh? Either we ALL have our Rights protected... or we will ALL LOSE THEM.

 

[James Moore]

It was the 70's. 13 year old logic would be how cool it was to be able to make something this cool and how was I going to fund my hobbies. How cool it would be to have older people seeking me out for what to me would be a great time not to mention the money. It was the decade of Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll!!! Imagine being a 13 year old with the keys to it all. Fortunately I didn't have this as a temptation back then.

Like I said, Typical
Life does not begin and end with you.

Things were "Cool" before the 70s.
Before the 70s, we DID have the keys to it all, but we were smart enough to use them properly.

 

[Hvymax]

Your skill does not correlate to the skill of the mass population.

Why do we have people on this forum that seem to hate the idea of privately made firearms being legal to order to your home? Why are you even here??

Why would you ever want to have LESS rights??

I don't hate the idea at all. I took the time to show up in the Judiciary Committees of my state to make the case that Legal to own it legal to make it for personal use is a Core Civil Right of every American. That I and Thousands of others have been practicing this hobby since before the birth of this Nation. That we enjoy the exercise of making something different than every other off the shelf firearm. To innovate and experiment which is how almost every advance in human history has come about. That it's a Core Civil Right of every American that hasn't been disqualified to possess the firearms of their choosing within the law without restriction or registration.
I'm almost always included on the panels with the State 2A orgs because of my track record getting these things shut down in Committee.
The Fact that there have been Children and Criminals buying, making and distributing these things is inarguable.
How do we protect our rights when they are blatantly being used by criminals to get around the restrictions against them?
How do we protect our rights when Children are easily circumventing the legal restrictions on them purchasing and possessing things it's not legal for them to have??? Crap I built a bazooka when I was 15 using the Improvised Munitions Handbook and ingredients from the hardware and drug store. I had good and involved parents, I was a Boy Scout and a decent student who enjoyed making and experimenting with things like All American Boys had done forever. Now we have more kids in Single Parent homes that have probably never seen the inside of a Church running wild.
Rights Come with Responsibility. When people FAIL to be responsible with their RIGHTS we get LAWS and RESTRICTIONS.

 

[Hvymax]

And there's the DELUSION. And the proof is under your nose. Most adults who attempt this have problems. These were done by adults who wonder why their P80 builds don't work:
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That said.... arguing about the DIFFICULTY or "EASE" of building is irrelevant and moot. Constitutional Rights are binary. Either you assert them with the protection of the Constitution.... or you don't. They are not subject to conditions... or even the presence or absence of "morals."

This was MY 13 year old skill level. The fact that there are children with more mechanical aptitude than most adults is nothing new

 

[Hvymax]

Typical. You youngsters think the world begins and ends with you. Until Libtards with the same illogical thinking as you got the GCA passed, you could order just about any firearm you wanted from the Sears Roebuck, delivered right to your home.

My first firearm purchase was a 7mm Mauser ordered from the back of a Comic book.

Access to firearms isn't the problem, acceptance of idiocy is.

I was the one who came up with using the ADA to eliminate almost all of the Copycat Features List. Nobody in any of the other states has done this. That's one of the dozens of successful arguments I have made at my State Legislature.

 

[James Moore]

The Fact that there have been Children and Criminals buying, making and distributing these things is inarguable.

I have to admit that you have a point here, but children and criminals are obtaining and distributing serialized firearms also. Maybe we should just outlaw ALl firearms.

BTW, I believe that if it's safe enough for a person to not be incarcerated it should be safe enough for them to not have their rights infringed.

 

[James Moore]

I was the one who came up with using the ADA to eliminate almost all of the Copycat Features List. Nobody in any of the other states has done this. That's one of the dozens of successful arguments I have made at my State Legislature.

Huh?

 

[Hvymax]

Huh?

Exactly. I have been showing up at my State Legislature for Decades. I have made the arguments that have gotten dozens of such bills killed in Committee. I showed up for this as well making the case that it's the Core Civil Right of every American Yada Yada. That has never cut it.

 

[Hvymax]

I have to admit that you have a point here, but children and criminals are obtaining and distributing serialized firearms also. Maybe we should just outlaw ALl firearms.

BTW, I believe that if it's safe enough for a person to not be incarcerated it should be safe enough for them to not have their rights infringed.

That's why Democrats have been releasing Violent Criminals without bail.

 

[A229]

I don't hate the idea at all. I took the time to show up in the Judiciary Committees of my state to make the case that Legal to own it legal to make it for personal use is a Core Civil Right of every American. That I and Thousands of others have been practicing this hobby since before the birth of this Nation. That we enjoy the exercise of making something different than every other off the shelf firearm. To innovate and experiment which is how almost every advance in human history has come about. That it's a Core Civil Right of every American that hasn't been disqualified to possess the firearms of their choosing within the law without restriction or registration.
I'm almost always included on the panels with the State 2A orgs because of my track record getting these things shut down in Committee.
The Fact that there have been Children and Criminals buying, making and distributing these things is inarguable.
How do we protect our rights when they are blatantly being used by criminals to get around the restrictions against them?
How do we protect our rights when Children are easily circumventing the legal restrictions on them purchasing and possessing things it's not legal for them to have??? Crap I built a bazooka when I was 15 using the Improvised Munitions Handbook and ingredients from the hardware and drug store. I had good and involved parents, I was a Boy Scout and a decent student who enjoyed making and experimenting with things like All American Boys had done forever. Now we have more kids in Single Parent homes that have probably never seen the inside of a Church running wild.
Rights Come with Responsibility. When people FAIL to be responsible with their RIGHTS we get LAWS and RESTRICTIONS.

You are just defensively spamming a bunch of non-sequitur to try to make it seem like you aren't actively arguing against constitutional rights. Do not give any power back to the government. People will commit illegal acts regardless. As you quite literally stated in your own comment:

How do we protect our rights when Children are easily circumventing the legal restrictions on them purchasing and possessing things it's not legal for them to have???

They don't care what is and what isn't legal. They are doing whatever they want. Go after the people breaking the laws. You do not punish the masses for the misbehavior of a few.

 

[Racer88]

The Fact that there have been Children and Criminals buying, making and distributing these things is inarguable.
How do we protect our rights when they are blatantly being used by criminals to get around the restrictions against them?

Really? This is the easiest question to answer.

The actions of criminals have ZERO bearing on our Rights... or maintaining or protecting our Rights.

The answer is: Punish the fucking criminals!