Polymer80 may survive the court battle but not their own reputation....

[Bobster]

Some have speculated that humankind's concept of God, angels, etc. were in fact aliens. I'm uncertain.

"Chariots of the Gods" made me wonder when I was I kid. Now I sometimes wonder if we aren't some big giant science experiment being observed from afar. They are waiting for the sample to catch on fire in the petri dish. One millenia is one second to them...

 

[RagnoROOK]

Well, I said why not and bought a 76 from their current sale. I have bought from p80 several times this last year when they had sales and had no issues receiving my orders. Will report on my experience as it develops.

 

[James Moore]

Well, I said why not and bought a 76 from their current sale. I have bought from p80 several times this last year when they had sales and had no issues receiving my orders. Will report on my experience as it develops.

Hopefully you waited until the buy one get one free sale that just started.

 

[vegascamel]

Yeah, I ordered last March and other than getting emails offering to sell me slides and barrels, I got 2 today, I hear nothing about my order. I submitted a support request to cancel the order, no response. I tried to send an email, couldn't deliver. Called their phone number, dead air not even a message. Guess they just robbed me.

 

[Knack]

No one can change or influence what they deny exists.

Now everyone can go back to their regularly scheduled program.

 

[RagnoROOK]

It was a known gamble. That 2 fer deal got me though.

 

[RagnoROOK]

No one can change or influence what they deny exists.

Now everyone can go back to their regularly scheduled program.

Yeesh.
Touch grass, bud.

 

[One Ping Only]

"wisdom is vindicated by her children." - Christ Jesus

ie the product of wisdom is wise actions and the fruit of said actions. That doesn't mean everyone will like it, or agree with it.

 

[Knack]

"wisdom is vindicated by her children." - Christ Jesus

ie the product of wisdom is wise actions and the fruit of said actions. That doesn't mean everyone will like it, or agree with it.

Son of a preacher here, brother. The NIV version of that is "wisdom is proved right by her deeds". It differs slightly from the NKJV.

It's also kind of like "You are what you eat." If you dismiss or ignore bad behavior, you are part of the problem.

 

[Harold]

Unfortunately Only a Moral Society can be trusted with rights. America can't survive anything less.

Exactly. The Founders and Framers (of our constitution) understood this perfectly well. According to John Adams:

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Adams et al. wouldn't recognize contemporary America as the country that they founded. In fact they'd be appalled at the monstrosity that America has become.

We have completed Tytlers Cycle right on schedule.

But we did have a lot of help from the Satanic cult which has calculatingly destroyed its way to the top of this society, working tirelessly for many decades to dumb-down and corrupt the masses.

 

[maplepuck]

Well P80 must be having a fire sale; I have gotten several "sale" emails for various 'parts" being marked down in the last week...I won't give them another cent. after hearing what they've been doing/not doing to 'customers' lately,

 

[seniormoment]

Well P80 must be having a fire sale; I have gotten several "sale" emails for various 'parts" being marked down in the last week...I won't give them another cent. after hearing what they've been doing/not doing to 'customers' lately,

What are they doing/not doing? I haven’t heard anything yet.

 

[Racer88]

What are they doing/not doing? I haven’t heard anything yet.

See post #1 on this thread.

Not shipping product for a very long time and not being communicative with customers about it.

 

[Knack]

I was intrigued by the magwells, but I had already bought one elsewhere. I thought their sale price was fair. The regular price of $80 is ridiculous. The PF940V2 magwell was sold out anyway.

I had no idea what the 76% thing was all about so I started looking at older posts here, or Reddit and elsewhere. I even watched videos of the current management at Polymer 80. The founders left and the son of one of the founder took over. This is a scenario that has repeated itself ten thousand times. They should have projected that government regulators were going to impact their business and planned better for that inevitability.

My prediction is Polymer 80 like is an egg salad sandwich on a warm day.

 

[Racer88]

They should have projected that government regulators were going to impact their business and planned better for that inevitability.

My prediction is Polymer 80 like is an egg salad sandwich on a warm day.

Then you should pay more attention to the court cases / decisions, which continue to look quite favorable for the 2nd Amendment, including Privately Made Firearms, which have been part of our nation's heritage literally since Day One.

We are going to win. I'm quite confident in that. The question is whether companies, such as P80, can survive the TIME it takes to win.

 

[Knack]

Then you should pay more attention to the court cases / decisions, which continue to look quite favorable for the 2nd Amendment, including Privately Made Firearms, which have been part of our nation's heritage literally since Day One.

We are going to win. I'm quite confident in that. The question is whether companies, such as P80, can survive the TIME it takes to win.

Possible. I wasn't commenting on the legal or constitutional issues. If I were an investor, I would not be confident in the company without some management changes. I cant guess what the Supreme Court may do but I can read a balance sheet and earnings report. I'd love to see it for their last year's quarterly reports and Q1-24 and the next quarter. They aren't that big. Can they hang on? Weather the storm? My guess - and it is purely a guess - is no.

 

[Racer88]

They aren't that big. Can they hang on? Weather the storm? My guess - and it is purely a guess - is no.

I hope you're wrong.

 

[Knack]

Survival of the fittest. Facing the regulators relentless attacks on so-called g h o s t guns, I would have doubled down on serialized frames and done a massive marketing push based on why it makes sense to put together your own handgun vs. buy one. Even though I don't think that is actually true, any decent marketing professional could have built that plan.

Reading what people said about it, my informal post mortem on the 76% frame strategy is that it was not successful. It turned off customers. Not just to Polymer 80 but the idea of building your own gun. It comes down to knowing your audience. Gunsmiths and those with gunsmith skills are in the minority. The Polymer 80 customer base and majority are everyday gun owners who were able to drill a couple of holes, remove tabs, and assemble the pistol on their kitchen table with regular hand tools. Thus, their BUILD, BUY, SHOOT credo. I would be remiss in excluding those who read about Glock grip angle myth on Reddit and wanted to change their Glock frame to something "better" to improve their shooting skills. I had to toss that in, with a nod to PT Barnum.

It looks to me that the small but vocal hardcore segment who are opposed to serial numbers and any means of tracking the firearms fall into two groups. One is those to took on the 76% frame challenge and the others who said screw this 76% noise and went for 3d printing. It appears that even skilled people's takeaway was that the 76% frame sucked.

In conclusion, it looks to me like Polymer 80 management shot themselves in the nuts. Add this recent grumbling about long ship times and lack of information to buyers about fulfillment. Scooby Doo says ruh roh.

This is their marketing genius who is no longer with them: N Stephanie Spika Hickey email address & phone number | Spika Communications Communications and Digital Media Consultant contact information - RocketReach
I rest my case. Like my Mother always said, Men tend to judge books by their cover.

 

[Racer88]

I would have doubled down on serialized frames and done a massive marketing push based on why it makes sense to put together your own handgun vs. buy one. Even though I don't think that is actually true, any decent marketing professional could have built that plan.

Perhaps. But I think the biggest attraction to 80% frames was building a gun "off the books." While it wasn't my primary attraction, I'll admit liking that aspect of it. Mind you, my first P80 build was not my first gun. Hardly! Ha! I've got plenty of serialized factory, store-bought, background-checked firearms.

To wit... for my new EDC, I intentionally used a serialized 100% P80 frame... as my perception that IF I was ever forced to use it, having a serialized firearm would "head them off at the pass" about a gun.

Reading what people said about it, my informal post mortem on the 76% frame strategy is that it was not successful. It turned off customers. Not just to Polymer 80 but the idea of building your own gun. It comes down to knowing your audience.

Yes. That trigger housing pocket is simply a mess (for most people) with simple tooling.

Consider that a significant percentage of builders (maybe even a majority) cannot even drill the holes and remove 5 tabs without fucking up a "simple" 80% frame.

It looks to me that the small but vocal hardcore segment who are opposed to serial numbers and any means of tracking the firearms fall into two groups. One is those to took on the 76% frame challenge and the others who said screw this 76% noise and went for 3d printing. It appears that even skilled people's takeaway was that the 76% frame sucked.

First... I don't think it's a "small" group. If it was, then the majority would just buy a serialized frame. VERY few buy serialized P80 frames, though they have always been available.

I agree that the 76% approach fell very flat in the market / builders community. And printing became more attractive as a result. I would like to see milling become more prevalent. With milling, we can use blanks that are much stronger / durable.

Add this recent grumbling about long ship times and lack of information to buyers about fulfillment. Scooby Doo says ruh roh.

True. True.

 

[Knack]

First... I don't think it's a "small" group. If it was, then the majority would just buy a serialized frame. VERY few buy serialized P80 frames, though they have always been available.

Small is relative. I wasn't being dismissive of that group at all. In terms of total gun owners, I'd bet the percentage of skilled builders is in the single digits percentage-wise. Never say never, but I dont think there are many low IQ doofuses buying 3D printers and making their own guns or whatever else with them. Or able to otherwise make or modify a gun or fabricate gun parts. I have a genuine respect for true gunsmiths and others who may not be gunsmiths but have a high degree of mechanical skills and work on their own guns. I left the corporate madhouse and went to school to learn carpentry and fine woodworking. It will be years before I would be considered a master. That doesn't mean I don't do good work or know what I'm doing. It takes years of hands-on experience to be a master anything. I see that as very different from buy, build, shoot.