"Official" Thread SCOTUS Upholds Biden's Frame and Receivers Rule in VANDERSTOK case

Racer88 said:
What will that accomplish? The rule / "law" will still be in effect, eh? It doesn't matter which agency is tasked with enforcing it. If not the ay-tee-eff, it will be another agency. Right?
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Maybe not, if ATF goes away maybe the rule can too. It’s still just a rule not a law right ?
 
Racer88 said:
There's really no point in a serialized 80% frame. If it's serialized, it might as well be "100%." Unless you just like the finish work because you've got nothing better to do. The incentive (at least one of the incentives) to do the 20% finish work on the 80% frames was that there was no FFL / 4473 involved... it was "off the books."
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It occurs to me that there is some irony in the notion of a serialized 80% (unfinished) frame. It's serialized because according to the alphabet boys moving-goalpost-definition, it's a "gun." However, as it stands (purchased from the supplier), unfinished, it is not capable of accepting the parts that would turn it into a functioning gun. In reality, and for all practical purposes, it is no more a firearm than a water pistol.
 
Well, this decision was disappointing. Whatever team Trump chooses to do with the alphabet-soup agencies, the problem of the original sin is still there. The effort really should be to remove the National Firearms Act, and all the follow-on legislation stacked on top of it. It's a hard thing to do, but it is the only way to get back to what the founders envisioned... a government that trusts its citizens to act in their own self interest.
 
The question is: What is the importance to you / why build the 80% ?

1- Freedom To have a firearm that is not subject to government overreach serialized list
2- Hobby Fun to fabricate / pride of accomplishment
3- Art Customization
4- Any other reason? You tell us.

What say you ?
 
This is a good video explaining the decision and what the future may still hold for us:


View: https://youtu.be/eefDQBkzvXw?si=G7EH0ANUr06zoOFt

I take issue with the time of construction as a deciding metric. It should not matter if it takes 1 minute or 1000 minutes. And who decides that?

I've built several of these guns. I have VERY good hand skills. And it takes me many hours to finish just the frame. I am not fast. But my results are near "factory." And my builds have thousands of reliable rounds through them. They are very reliable. On the other hand, some CLAIM they can do it in 20 minutes. I call bullshit.

Sure, theoretically the "job" can be done in 20 minutes, but is it a reliable, working firearm? I'm sure some will claim that as well.So whose time do we use? It can only be an arbitrary amount of time, and I submit that time should NOT be the litmus test.
 
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Michele said:
The question is: What is the importance to you / why build the 80% ?

1- Freedom To have a firearm that is not subject to government overreach serialized list
2- Hobby Fun to fabricate / pride of accomplishment
3- Art Customization
4- Any other reason? You tell us.

What say you ?
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To exercise my 2nd amendment, Constitutional RIGHT.
 
Michele said:
The question is: What is the importance to you / why build the 80% ?

1- Freedom To have a firearm that is not subject to government overreach serialized list
2- Hobby Fun to fabricate / pride of accomplishment
3- Art Customization
4- Any other reason? You tell us.

What say you ?
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5 - It's a pain to drive to town and buy the lower for a build. It's also 30 miles round trip to the nearest LGS.
6 - The local gun stores have a very limited stock of lowers so I'd need to order one online, and then pay a transfer fee when it shows up at the LGS.
Both 5 and 6 leading to
7 - An 80% can be sent directly to me.
 
I agree on the time, and BC on 20 minutes. It took me around 3 weeks from start to gun range. A few problems but I got them ironed out over time. It's a safe reliable handgun. I'm going to wait and see on the serialization issue, but for now I will carry it when I want.
 
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D.A. Bragg Calls On 3D-Printing Companies To Address Proliferation Of Illegal Firearms

“We are calling on companies that sell 3D-printers to work with us to stem the flow of dangerous weapons into our communities by implementing targeted, commonsense fixes. Too often, gun violence tragically takes innocent lives and tears at the fabric of our communities. Over the past several years,
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Manhattan District Attorney Alvin L. Bragg, Jr., today called on Shenzhen Creality 3D Technology Co., Ltd., the manufacturer of one of the most popular 3D-printers available for individual consumers, to adopt additional security measures to deter the spread of 3D-printed guns and gun parts. In a letter to Creality, D.A. Bragg called on the company to install in its printers an available 3D-printing software program which detects the shapes of common gun parts and blocks their printing. D.A. Bragg plans to send similar letters to other leading consumer brands in the coming weeks.

The letter comes following yesterday’s U.S. Supreme Court decision upholding federal regulations requiring 👻gun parts to have serial numbers and compelling background checks for prospective buyers of 👻gun home-assembly kits. The Office filed an amicus brief in support of the federal regulations in July 2024.
 
Bcichlid said:
The letter comes following yesterday’s U.S. Supreme Court decision upholding federal regulations requiring 👻gun parts to have serial numbers and compelling background checks for prospective buyers of 👻gun home-assembly kits. The Office filed an amicus brief in support of the federal regulations in July 2024.
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Odd... since the SCOTUS decision has nothing to do with 3D printing of gun frames.
 
Racer88 said:
Odd... since the SCOTUS decision has nothing to do with 3D printing of gun frames.
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ITS WOKE LIBERAL D.A.
ITS THEIR NEXT TARGET,

CReality barely complies with Chinese Gov laws (like open software licenses)
sure they dont give a Fxxx for NY DA
But for sure you going to have liberal States going at it and be putting all sort of restrictions.
and perhaps new 3d printers might be forced to comply with that type of regulation.
Which means older 3d printers that dont do any new software update might be the way to go for new builders out there in near future, use open source firmware like marlinfw

Home

Marlin Firmware - A Really Good 3D Printer Driver.
marlinfw.org marlinfw.org
 
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Bcichlid said:
ITS WOKE LIBERAL D.A.
ITS THEIR NEXT TARGET,

CReality barely complies with Chinese Gov laws (like open software licenses)
sure they dont give a Fxxx for NY DA
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Years ago, I predicted that the next "assault weapon" would be "sniper rifles." They will go after anything related to precision rifles. I'm talking about aftermarket barrels, optics, triggers, bipods, etc.

It hasn't happened yet. But I stand by that prediction. It's coming.
 
Racer88 said:
Years ago, I predicted that the next "assault weapon" would be "sniper rifles." They will go after anything related to precision rifles. I'm talking about aftermarket barrels, optics, triggers, bipods, etc.
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In the Hunter Safety courses I have helped teach, the class will usually start with one or two FWC Officers talking about laws and such. They give a very good presentation! :) They have all been decent guys and are definitely pro-2A and pro-hunting. They'll address things like open-carry of sidearms while hunting/fishing (allowed) or carrying of loaded firearms in a vehicle (allowed but discouraged). There ARE ammo and magazine restrictions they will enforce if necessary. But they are pretty much "If someone is straight-up with me and not trying to bullshit, I'll give them a warning." They DO have ticketing and arrest powers.

We're not supposed to talk "politics" but I will mention that hunting is now a Constitutional Right in FL. Also the upcoming proposed (by Gubna Ronny D.) sales tax holiday for firearms/ammo/accys. I encourage them to call their State Reps and Senators to voice their support.

Getting to your point, I'll mention that while some of the students may not have a need for an "America's Rifle" or handgun, when the antis succeed in banning those they are coming for your "sniper" rifle next. So it is important to protect ALL gun rights.

I'll also throw a shout-out to treadlightly.org which is a good website to learn more about sharing the outdoors with other users... :)
 
On one of the local guntrader websites, a couple weeks ago one of the local guys that has a gun shop "warned" me about selling 80% and 80>100% frames. :rolleyes: So I went to the AFT and clipped this bit from one of their "rules" about PMFs and sent it to him. I've been in his shop, mainly a little hole-in-the-wall with limited inventory but it is good to see a dealer who is not a "kitchen-table" dealer...

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Bobster said:
On one of the local guntrader websites, a couple weeks ago one of the local guys that has a gun shop "warned" me about selling 80% and 80>100% frames. :rolleyes: So I went to the AFT and clipped this bit from one of their "rules" about PMFs and sent it to him. I've been in his shop, mainly a little hole-in-the-wall with limited inventory but it is good to see a dealer who is not a "kitchen-table" dealer...

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I not aware of any state that makes a distinction of a suppressor for hunting only. Or Federal regs about hunting only.

I think your local guy gave good advice. Selling a 80% firearm you made may get you into trouble. I wouldn't do it.
 
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There is no such thing as a sniper rifle. They are no different from a hunting rifle. The exception being they usually are fitted with a metal stock instead of wood. Nearly all sniper rifles used by real LE or military snipers are based on the Remington 700. Those are the bolt actions. A few others are AR type semi autos and then there are the 50 BMG.

If the gun grabber were going to go after something next, it would most likely be 50BMG. But there really arent that many off them in circulation. Nor can anyone point to them being a problem in civilian hands. They could make an argument no civilian needs such a powerful weapon. That argument is pretty weak, but it's all they would have.
 
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