Spent holiday weekend in MI. Rented car and 2 out of 3 cars smelled like...

[Bobster]

As a Libertarian, I don't generally care what someone puts in their body unless you are immediate family or friends. Smoking a joint on your back patio--no problem. Lighting up on an elevator I'm in--yes I got a BIG problem with that. Vaping would fall into that "no smoking around me" category. Who knows what is in that shit!

I was listening to someone describe how they were proud to not be on any meds but they also took something like 42 dietary supplement pills every day!

And I've been around enough drunk people to realize they shouldn't be driving nor in my immediate vicinity when they start to turn green--I dislike being puked upon... But they also shouldn't be left alone if blind drunk or after they pass out.

A HS classmate of mine got drunk and passed out in his "buddy's" car. They dragged him to his parent's doorstep and left him there where he inspired vomit and died. His parents found him the next morning, the day before Christmas, dead.

Another buddy climbed a tree during a graduation party. Everyone thought it was hilarious when he was singing from the tree before he fell out and to his death.

I used to have legendary, raging keggers. I'd have raffles of booze and other party favors. Various games and contests. Occasional fights and vomiting and usual drunken antics but mostly safe as anyone too drunk was welcome to crash or get a ride home with the many non-drinkers that volunteered to supervise with me. One guy had passed out, then woke up, walked to the keg fridge and started urinating on the door! I grabbed a bucket to put under the stream and he slowly turned so he was not peeing in the bucket anymore. This was about when the "Terminator" movie came out, he earned the nickname the "Urinator" after that. Same party I'm cleaning up just as the sun comes up. Off in the corner of my back yard I see a buddy lying still on his back and as I get closer I see a bunch of foam around his mouth! I'm thinking "oh shit, how am I going to explain he died in my back yard to his parents" whom I knew. Standing above him, I could see the foam barely moving so I gave him a kick, he woke up bleery-eyed and walked home. That was probably the last kegger I had...

 

[BeerHunter]

I have zero confidence in the FDA.

They allow Taco Bell to sell whatever that concoction from Hell they put in burritos and tacos. It isn't meat. Some kind of chemical stew.

That's why I call that place "Taco Hell" and it always makes me think of the term "shit fire!"

 

[Racer88]

The FDA has been corrupted, too, unfortunately. It's cliche, but "follow the money."

The money involved with the covid shot is STAGGERING. But they managed to literally brainwash the public into being complicit in the push for getting the shot... and another shot... and another... and another.

Here is a real screenshot from a medical insurance website for doctors... the incentive to give covid shots to their patients... That adds up to some SERIOUS money at the BOTTOM level, which is the individual doctors. Up the ladder, the money gets bigger and bigger.

I've written about this before, but big pharma is the #1 spender on lobbying money. And 2nd place is a DISTANT 2nd place. Last year it was around $375MM on lobbying. Of that group, Pfizer was the #1 spender at $17MM. By way of comparison, the EVIL NRA spent $2.5MM. The ENTIRE gun industry spent about $17MM. So big pharma spent 22 times what the entire gun industry spent. But who gets vilified as having a "stranglehold on congress???"

 

[One Ping Only]

So many times it's semantics in-play. Medicine? Never called it that. Natural therapy, natural pain relief? Absolutely.

Why is it that when there is a natural product that WORKS, the FDA wants to criminalize the natural substance and then chemically SYNTHESIZE it in a lab, so the pill pushers can give SELL it to you?

It's all about money.

Cast your mind back to the "Reefer Madness" days when Dupont was cornering the rope market with their new nylon rope products and criminalized their Hemp competition.

It's all about money.

I've no interest in the THC aspect of cannabis for myself, lifestyle or my family. But I HAVE used CBD gummies, tinctures, and roll-on (skin absorbed) products that I've found to WORK. If they didn't, we wouldn't use them. My wife has used the stick on her knee that was damaged in a car wreck years ago in which her '65 Nova was ran over and flattened by a jack-knifing tractor trailer rig.. She's also applied it on her mom's hip (she had a replacement surgery 6 or 7 years ago). Unquestionable pain relief.

I have a bad shoulder from ripping cut water branches out of trees up here, that did my shoulder no favors, on top of construction work I used to do. These products only get used when they are needed. But for us, we have found they work, unquestionably so

There has also been huge findings with regards to cannabis and Alzheimers' reversal. Add to that the anti-nausea benefits for those chemo patients suffering those hideous side effects. And so forth.

Oh===and one of the latest things off-topic regarding Cannabis: they are finding that the Myelin Sheath around the brain that is comprised of....Cholesterol....gets compromised, diminished, and reduced from all those Anti-Cholesterol drugs...and causes Alzheimers...and the amt of Alzeheimer's has risen in proportion to the increase of ani-cholesterol medication.

Nobody heard of Alzheimers 60 years ago. Then they started whittling-down the "acceptable" cholesterol levels incrementally. Today, it's (Alzheimers) a plague upon mankind.

What does a farmer do when chickens stop laying eggs, or cows stop producing milk?
Cull the herd.

It is my opinion that that's exactly happening with humanity. Once you show signs of being a useless eater and not a productive worker bee, they start prescribing you all assorts of crap to navigate you into a hole in the ground. I've seen it happen time and time again. Sick and evil...and what's sad is that there are MANY in the healthcare industry that got into it because they want to HELP people. Yet they are all educated by BIG PHARMA.

 

[One Ping Only]

I have zero confidence in the FDA.

They allow Taco Bell to sell whatever that concoction from Hell they put in burritos and tacos. It isn't meat. Some kind of chemical stew.

NO Yo Quero Taco Bell for YOU!

 

[One Ping Only]

I think it's fair to suggest it's a good idea at this point. There is NO getting rid of that smell in a car.

The DRY ICE maneuver???

 

[Racer88]

The DRY ICE maneuver???

I tried that on my son's hockey stink wagon (car). It did not work.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Oh===and one of the latest things off-topic regarding Cannabis: they are finding that the Myelin Sheath around the brain that is comprised of....Cholesterol....gets compromised, diminished, and reduced from all those Anti-Cholesterol drugs...and causes Alzheimers...and the amt of Alzeheimer's has risen in proportion to the increase of ani-cholesterol medication.

Now that's interesting. I was put on statins and after a year of that I said screw it and changed my diet, tossed the pills. Three years running now my cholesterol levels have been in the normal range. I get bloodwork done every year. I pay for it out of pocket. Worth every penny.

 

[Racer88]

So many times it's semantics in-play. Medicine? Never called it that. Natural therapy, natural pain relief? Absolutely.

Semantics to a layperson. But those who work in such fields require very specific definitions and standard of care.

Why is it that when there is a natural product that WORKS, the FDA wants to criminalize the natural substance and then chemically SYNTHESIZE it in a lab, so the pill pushers can give SELL it to you?

It's all about money.

The FDA does not have power to criminalize anything. That's the legislature. Only the legislature creates law.

I've no interest in the THC aspect of cannabis for myself, lifestyle or my family. But I HAVE used CBD gummies, tinctures, and roll-on (skin absorbed) products that I've found to WORK. If they didn't, we wouldn't use them. My wife has used the stick on her knee that was damaged in a car wreck years ago in which her '65 Nova was ran over and flattened by a jack-knifing tractor trailer rig.. She's also applied it on her mom's hip (she had a replacement surgery 6 or 7 years ago). Unquestionable pain relief.

Multiple anecdotes do not make data. Regardless of whether those anecdotes are true, which I'm sure they are. In the scientific world, anecdotes mean nothing. People who aren't scientists don't get to hijack the word, "science" or "medicine."

That doesn't mean that data (that confirms the anecdotes) cannot be obtained or repeatable scientific results achieved. We may be on the cusp of that happening. But it hasn't happened, yet.

There has also been huge findings with regards to cannabis and Alzheimers' reversal. Add to that the anti-nausea benefits for those chemo patients suffering those hideous side effects. And so forth.

See above. Show me the peer reviewed literature (aka actual science).

Cannabis: they are finding that the Myelin Sheath around the brain that is comprised of....Cholesterol....gets compromised, diminished, and reduced from all those Anti-Cholesterol drugs...and causes Alzheimers...and the amt of Alzeheimer's has risen in proportion to the increase of ani-cholesterol medication.

The myelin sheath is the "insulation" around individual nerve cells (not the brain).

But I would not be surprised at such findings. Chemically, it makes sense.

Bearing the "it's all about the money" mantra in mind... Consider that the statin category of drugs is a multi-multi-billion dollar industry within pharma. $19BB / year worldwide.

I was put on a statin by my doctor. I had severe abdominal pain attacks. The doctor blew them off. I did a bit of research and discovered pancreatitis symptoms are similar (and very very serious) and a known possible side effect of statins. I took myself off the statin. Abdominal stabbing pain went away. My cholesterol is what it is. The end. I'm not taking another statin. Ever.

Because of the money involved (much like the C19 "vaccine"), they will never back off. They will only dig their heels in further.

Nobody heard of Alzheimers 60 years ago.

Not true. It was first DESCRIBED as such in 1906. Of course it existed before then, too. That's just when the syndrome / disease was given and defined by that name.

It is my opinion that that's exactly happening with humanity. Once you show signs of being a useless eater and not a productive worker bee, they start prescribing you all assorts of crap to navigate you into a hole in the ground. I've seen it happen time and time again. Sick and evil...and what's sad is that there are MANY in the healthcare industry that got into it because they want to HELP people. Yet they are all educated by BIG PHARMA.

The influence of big pharma over medical practice is most unfortunate. But it's not always direct influence. MUCH of it today is indirect influence by marketing directly to the patients. "Ask your doctor about the purple pill." And any doctor will tell you today that patients are often adamant about getting the medication they heard about on TV or the internet.

 

[Michele]

Now that's interesting. I was put on statins and after a year of that I said screw it and changed my diet, tossed the pills. Three years running now my cholesterol levels have been in the normal range. I get bloodwork done every year. I pay for it out of pocket. Worth every penny.

My Dr. has been hounding me to take statins for 3 yrs now. Last week I had severe chest EMTs took me to Emergency. It wasn’t cardiac related. Scared the pants off me so I gave in and received my bottle of atorvastatin 2 days ago. Bottle remains unopened I’m hesitant to take them. Now I see this information .

So I’m curious what changes in your diet made the difference ? My husband is fine. Odd mine is high we eat the same diet. I think our diet is pretty healthy:
Sugars- Attempt to be free by using or buying sugar alcohol products
Proteins- mostly white meats very occasionally red meat, sausage, shellfish
Starch- rarely have bread or pasta, potatoes or rice maybe 1-2x a month
Veg- always with supper
We both skip breakfast or lunch meals if that matters

 

[Racer88]

My husband is fine. Odd mine is high we eat the same diet. I think our diet is pretty healthy:

There can also be a genetic predisposition to "hyperlipidemia" (high cholesterol). Other contributing factors can be endocrine issues such as hypothyroidism. Also sedentary vs frequent active exercise. Obesity. Alcohol consumption. Even smoking.

 

[Pern]

Try renting a weed stinking car from a blue weed state and driving to a red no weed state, get pulled over by a state trooper and explain why you car smells like illegal drugs.

 

[Racer88]

Try renting a weed stinking car from a blue weed state and driving to a red no weed state, get pulled over by a state trooper and explain why you car smells like illegal drugs.

Wow! I didn't even think about that! Good point.

But I wouldn't be able to drive a block without feeling sick. It's the worst fucking smell, shy of dead bodies.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

My Dr. has been hounding me to take statins for 3 yrs now. Last week I had severe chest EMTs took me to Emergency. It wasn’t cardiac related. Scared the pants off me so I gave in and received my bottle of atorvastatin 2 days ago. Bottle remains unopened I’m hesitant to take them. Now I see this information .

So I’m curious what changes in your diet made the difference ? My husband is fine. Odd mine is high we eat the same diet. I think our diet is pretty healthy:
Sugars- Attempt to be free by using or buying sugar alcohol products
Proteins- mostly white meats very occasionally red meat, sausage, shellfish
Starch- rarely have bread or pasta, potatoes or rice maybe 1-2x a month
Veg- always with supper
We both skip breakfast or lunch meals if that matters

I am reluctant to give health related advice about something I'm not qualified for but I'll answer as best I can. Taking inventory of my lifestyle...

• I was eating a lot of rich, prepared foods. Lots of restaurant meals. Good places. I never eat junk food. The food in good places is fancy and loaded with the shit we all love. Fats, sugars, salt, carbs. Especially breads on the carb side.
• Eating in restaurants I was consuming more alcohol than I normally would. Cocktails, wine.
• I was in a very high stress job for a long time.

My blood pressure was above normal. The hypertension was attributed to arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis. Basically, my arteries were clogging up with plaque, which increases blood pressure. Which in turn makes your heart work overtime. When the arteries that surround your heart start to clog and rob the heart muscle of oxygen, you have a heart attack. And maybe die.

I met with a cardiologist and she prescribed statins. Wanting another opinion because her diagnosis was pretty bleak, I saw a somewhat famous cardiologist and he did an ultrasound on my beating heart and carotid after bringing me to the point of heart attack on a treadmill. The so-called stress test. He said it wasn't quite as bad as I had been told but I did have some blockage. He also suggested statins. Same drug. Atorvatstatn. So I took them for a year. I had no ill effects. No muscle or joint pain as many do.

Statins have been around for many years and they are supposedly 'safe'. For the most part, they are. But on the other hand it's a chemical that screws with your liver to artificially correct its natural production of cholesterol. That kind of bugged me. People in my family lived into their 90s. None of them took statins except for one. My mother. She is also the only one in my family who developed dementia/ALZ. That got me thinking. Is there a correlation? Maybe, maybe not.

I decided to do an experiment. I quit taking the atorvastatin and losartan (blood pressure). For the next six months I went to the gym four days a week. I radically changed my diet.

- Lean red meat only once a week
- Chicken twice a week
- Fish twice a week. Baked or sushi/sashimi (raw).
- Salads/vegetables only twice a week
- Oatmeal every other day for breakfast. I sweetened it with real maple syrup. A little bit of milk. Oats absorb fats and you crap them out before your body absorbs them. It also keeps your gut clean.
- Eggs on the days I dont eat oatmeal. Poached or over easy. With rye toast

When I got hungry in between meals I ate fruit. Apples, pears, oranges, watermelon, grapes. Very little bread and no snacky shit. Chips, crackers, etc.

I consume alcohol in moderation. I enjoy a beer or a bourbon wherever I want. I just don't overdo it.

In a couple of months I felt like a million bucks. Six months down the road my cholesterol was in the normal range. As was my blood pressure. It's been three years now. A couple of months ago I had an ultrasound done on my carotid. They said it has the normal amount of plaque someone my age would have. No concern. Which was consistent with the same test I did a year earlier. That's a big WTF. Four years prior, doctors told me I was on a death march to a heart attack if I didn't get on statins.

Basically I adopted what some people would call the Mediterranean diet. I also eat a lot of garlic, onions, tomatoes, broccoli and spinach. I only use olive oil. Canola (which is rapeseed oil that was developed as an industrial lubricant), corn oil, vegetable oil... I dont use anymore. I also dont eat anything that has hydrogenated oils. That is one of the worst things you can put in your body.

Cholesterol is known to be determined largely by heredity and diet. If close members all dropped dead from heart attacks, you might be better off taking the statins. But there's no harm in changing your diet and trying to get your blood chemistry rebalanced naturally first. Give it six months. You have to stick to it or it wont work. If after six months of eating better and maybe some exercise, if your LDL is still too high - then consider the drug option.

 

[Racer88]

Funny how threads can change direction. Unlike a lot of other forums, I think it's OK. It's how friends have conversations that wander all over the place. I think it establishes more of a connection between people.

Of course, when people are searching for information on a very specific subject, thread drift can be distracting and discouraging. So, like all things... in moderation. And if the conversation takes a real tangent, we can always convert it to its own thread. No biggie.

I just like that we are comfortable enough to have real conversations here... you know... like real, normal people in real life!

 

[no4mk1t]

Funny how threads can change direction. Unlike a lot of other forums, I think it's OK. It's how friends have conversations that wander all over the place. I think it establishes more of a connection between people.

Of course, when people are searching for information on a very specific subject, thread drift can be distracting and discouraging. So, like all things... in moderation. And if the conversation takes a real tangent, we can always convert it to its own thread. No biggie.

I just like that we are comfortable enough to have real conversations here... you know... like real, normal people in real life!

As it should be. Moderate in moderation. (pun intended)

 

[One Ping Only]

My Dr. has been hounding me to take statins for 3 yrs now. Last week I had severe chest EMTs took me to Emergency. It wasn’t cardiac related. Scared the pants off me so I gave in and received my bottle of atorvastatin 2 days ago. Bottle remains unopened I’m hesitant to take them. Now I see this information .

So I’m curious what changes in your diet made the difference ? My husband is fine. Odd mine is high we eat the same diet. I think our diet is pretty healthy:
Sugars- Attempt to be free by using or buying sugar alcohol products
Proteins- mostly white meats very occasionally red meat, sausage, shellfish
Starch- rarely have bread or pasta, potatoes or rice maybe 1-2x a month
Veg- always with supper
We both skip breakfast or lunch meals if that matters

After two strokes in 2022, Atorvastatin was one of those meds they put me on. I'm not on it anymore, and stopped taking it over 6 mos ago. I hated the way it made me feel, and I hate the cumulative damage that comes from taking the drug. No thank you.

So glad you're doing better, Michele!

as far as the studies about cholesterol and Alzheimers, there have been two publicized studies in the last 6 mos. It's not hogwash. 3rd they know of Alzeheimers years ago, but it wasn't a common "thing" it is today.

But there there will always be those that will ONLY listen to those with Dr Certificates, trained by the FDA/Big Pharma system as having THE truth.

My FIL was one of those. He's gone now, suffered needlessly and could have had a better quality of life in his later years. C'est va lie.. You can think you're way, I'll think mine.

Funny as they keep chiseling down the acceptable numbers for Cholesterol, the Alheimers' victims number rise in proportion. And people ate more "bad" then, than they did now.

 

[One Ping Only]

the losartan is next

 

[One Ping Only]

the losartan is next

BTW, my Dr knows my goal is to be 100% free of the chemistry set stuff. One more to go after Losartan, which I'm still on... he'd increased the dosage and I didn't like how it made me feel so we're back a notch on that.

 

[One Ping Only]

Michele are you feeling ok now, sister?