I'm not so sure. The only reason the Short Act didn't make it into the House's version was because they thought it wouldn't make it past the Senate's Byrd Rule. The fact that the Senate is adding it negates that concern.
The House passed the budget with the HPA!
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I try to be realistically (negatively) positive about it.
Maybe they're going to have to pass it before they can see what's in it? 
I'm surprised none of the Democunts have determined/figured how much money they will "lose" if the tax is eliminated.
I wouldn't be surprised if the collection of tax/issuance of stamp is a loss-leader. Meaning, there would likely be lip-licking/hand-wringing over the establishment of an inflation-adjusted tax! 
I suspect the Darkness is hurriedly brain-washing a suitable martyr to use a suppressed, home-made (ie: 80%) SBR in a mass-shooting, probably in a theme park (ie: gun-free-zone) in a red state.
THEN the fingers will point at the dangerous "features" the gun has, coercing RINO-cunts to oppose the BBB, assuring its failure in the Senate and return to the House to be gutted. 
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Nope. Just fickle politicians. The window closes as fast as it opens.
Supply should be more than adequate. Cans are easy to make. There’s a lot of companies ready for the demand.
Background checks will be mandatory on suppressors. Dumb, but watch that happen.
Supply should be more than adequate. Cans are easy to make. There’s a lot of companies ready for the demand.
Background checks will be mandatory on suppressors. Dumb, but watch that happen.
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Dumb? Yes, background checks for firearms is supposed to keep firearms out of the hands of Criminals. If that actually worked, why would a criminal need a suppressor?
Background checks are already in the HPA, so it will happen if it passes.
I expect some lawsuits on that one, because a suppressor is nothing more than a part, if not included in the NFA.
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Background checks are baked into this. It's not really dumb based on the approach being pursued. They are attacking the tax as part of a budget, which is altering the NFA. The GCA is still in force, so a suppressor is still a firearm and subject to being sold by federally licensed dealers like any other firearm.
It is a pretty good parlor trick they are pulling here. By leaving them in the GCA as firearms, they are trying to keep them under the Second Amendment as a protected arm. Kinda handy that our own military is planning on issuing cans to every infantryman. That might keep the liberals in the courts from treating them as something else.
I have my doubts as to how quickly companies are going to be able to scale up to meet demand. I do expect a lot of junk is going to get sold as suppressors if this passes. Effective suppressors might be difficult to find while the market gets sorted out. I think the advice of purchasing one now and allow the dealer to hold off on doing the transfer until after is pretty sound. Worst case being have to pay the tax stamp if it doesn't get removed from the NFA.
Personally, I'll go the route of having the means of creating my own... to that end I've already started with equipping one barrel with a Surefire 3-prong mount and have obtained both a HUB adapter and a Warden linear comp....either of which could be the basis of a can when it becomes legal to do so. Even picked up a 30 caliber bore alignment rod to check the accuracy of anything I might make in the future. Anybody could do the same using the many mounting solutions that are out there (I just chose Surefire's mount because I like it, kinda looks like the old M-16 flash hider when the can is off.)
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Until the requirement for a stamp is eliminated, having the parts on hand is considered constructive intent and thus illegal. I presume you bought the stamp first. The hassle of serializing a homemade suppressor (which will also be required) sounds like a huge pain in the ass to me. I have them means of making one. They aren't that complicated. Unless you get into using titanium or attempt to duplicate some of the more complex baffle designs that are out there today.
I'm happy with being able to buy one without the wait or the cost of a stamp. For me that's a win. Background checks... annoying and it makes transferring to someone else more complicated. I'll still keep mine in a trust. Overall, good progress if the tax/stamp goes away but I'd prefer no regulation at all for such a simple accessory.
I've had suppressors for years. I'm not concerned about buying junk. But I do agree that there will be junk out there. Chinee Sirencers will flood the market. Just like Horosun.
If I have a supply of oil filters (for my car) in the garage and also own a few power drills.... is that "constructive intent?"
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Not in this case, And I am willing take this one to court if need be. The intent is to put a suppressor on the rifle and I am complying with the current law. None of the parts purchased have any NFA restrictions on them. This is not analogous to buying the M-16 auto sear, hammer, and trigger parts when you don't own a registered M-16. And of the parts are still in the condition they were sold. None have been modified. I don't even have to make up some bullshit reason to justify owning them to satisfy the ATF. I absolutely intend to acquire a suppressor legally. If it becomes legal to make one like any other firearm, I will do so. If the HPA doesn't become the new law, then I can pay the tax stamp and purchase one from a licensed dealer. Either way, there is nothing to hide here and no attempt to evade any current law.
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More good news this morning. The US 5th Circuit just realized they fucked up in their opinion in US v. Peterson. The last ruling was that suppressors were not arms protected by the 2nd amendment. They just walked that opinion back... I think this also f's a bunch of State AG's who were making arguments that were based on that opinion. Now that the three judge panel has withdrawn that opinion, umm a lot of elected people now look stupid.
There is going to be a lot of legal churning in the coming months, but this is looking really positive. We are going to have to break out the popcorn and watch the show. I fully expect the libs to try every dirty trick they can think up. My opinion is in the end it will be a net positive to us. It is just going to require keeping up the pressure on the politicians to stay on this.
There is going to be a lot of legal churning in the coming months, but this is looking really positive. We are going to have to break out the popcorn and watch the show. I fully expect the libs to try every dirty trick they can think up. My opinion is in the end it will be a net positive to us. It is just going to require keeping up the pressure on the politicians to stay on this.
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I'm still not holding my breath.
If somehow it does pass... My future concern is when they reverse it and tell all of those who bought them they now have to register them.
I don't trust'em. At all. My concern WILL happen, if they pass this. They'll reverse it in the future. Guaranteed. But that's only if this passes, which I think has the proverbial snowball's chance.
If somehow it does pass... My future concern is when they reverse it and tell all of those who bought them they now have to register them.
I don't trust'em. At all. My concern WILL happen, if they pass this. They'll reverse it in the future. Guaranteed. But that's only if this passes, which I think has the proverbial snowball's chance.
The libs act like if you legalize suppressors that there will be more people dying from guns and the average citizen will somehow turn into silent assasins. When in reality, laws do nothing to protect us from those who really want to inflict harm. Killing someone is a capital offense in which someone faces the death penalty so there is no tougher sentence than that yet will have thousands or tens of thousands of murders a year.
Instead of admitting there are bad people. Libs label inanimate objects as dangerous. We know how crazy and absolutely stupid that line of thinking is to our freedom and common senses. I really feel that liberals have a mental disorder.
Instead of admitting there are bad people. Libs label inanimate objects as dangerous. We know how crazy and absolutely stupid that line of thinking is to our freedom and common senses. I really feel that liberals have a mental disorder.
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Exactly. That's how we ended up with the NFA to start with. The lawmakers of the day knew they were stripping rights from the citizens, but did it anyways. They promised safety in exchange for their actions. But they never delivered what was promised, nor could they ever. It has always been about the actions of individual human beings to do harm. Removing the tools is ineffective.
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Wrong. The Firearm Owners’ Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA) further amended the definition of “silencer” by making combinations of silencer parts, and any part intended for use in the assembly or fabrication of a silencer. You need to submit a Form 1 before you do anything. Including buying or making the parts. The minimum sentence for not doing that is 27 months in prison. Some get 10 years.
There are a lot of people in jail who were selling, buying or assembling so-called 'solvent traps'. Bottom line: You may not buy or fabricate parts for assembling a suppressor without first getting a stamp. If the parts come from some other country, you may also be charged with illegally importing a firearm.
What is required for a DIY silencer is the model designation, the caliber, the serial number that you have created and the length of the silencer. If during the build process you decide to change the length, you can later send a letter to the ATF denoting that. They will add that your tax stamp information.
Good luck. I'd get the stamp or quit talking about it on an open forum. A good attorney can probably get the sentence reduced to two years.
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If you have the 'adapter' to put that filter on your firearm... yes. Is it likely that you will get busted for this? No. They would have to find it in your possession. Which would probably mean you have been served a warrant for some sort of firearms offense.
A different scenario... you have an accident or get busted for a traffic violation and they find the adapter and filters in your car. If it's discovered by someone who recognizes what it is... you have a problem. Is this likely? Probably not.
If you are caught or seen shooting a firearm with an oil filter/improvised silencer you may go to jail. Fuel filters as well.
People get busted for constructive intent all the time. There's a gizmo some guy was selling on eBay that adapted a 1/2- 28 threaded gun barrel to a 2 liter soda bottle. That's considered an improvised silencer. It's certainly not illegal to possess a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew. But if you screw it onto your Glock barrel, it's a silencer. Crazy huh? Even so, don't do it.
Also, if you drink Mountain Dew, your teeth will fall out. That can make you popular in prison. :O
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Maybe I am missing something. How does having a QD flash hider on a firearm constitute owning suppressor parts? That's what I am reading that @clm2112 has done - installing a muzzle device that can accept a suppressor.
(Note: I totally get and agree with your points on having the parts to make a suppressor, I just don't see how a flash hider can be construed as a suppressor any more than a threaded barrel would.)
Oh... I didn't know there was an adapter needed.
I would expect so.
LOL!
Wasn't there also the dude who got convicted for DRAWING a "lightning link" on a metal business card?
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Perhaps it's how he described it. A muzzle device such as a flash hider, comp or brake is definitely not a baffle. You could put an empty tube on the end of your barrel and it's fine. I dont know why any one would do that. If there's anything inside that tube that even vaguely resembles a baffle - it can be considered a suppressor. Even a Mountain Dew bottle. The law in all criminal matters is mainly about intent.
Now, some may say.... So If I have a half dozen fender washers on my bench bent into a slight V shape, a tube, brazing torch, and a 1/2x28 end cap how is that illegal? It is and it isn't. Unless the men in black somehow suspect you and determine you were intending to assemble the parts for a suppressor. Maybe because you told people that's what you were doing on some gun forum, which will be entered into evidence. Then they charge you with a felony based on constructive intent. It will be your responsibility to prove all that stuff was a muffler for your lawnmower. And you were just kidding about making a suppressor.
There have been quite a few guns sold with 'fake suppressors'. If you take a close look at those, they are usually solid bar stock with a hole drilled down the center. That's to make sure nobody puts a baffle inside it - without extensive machining.
Linear comps like Kaw Valley Linear Comps - Kaw Valley Precision are made to be attached directly to the barrel. A comp like these - especially the modular type - that are modified or adapted attach to a flash hider or similar quick disconnect - could very easily be determined to be an attempt at a silencer. Is that subjective? Of course it is. Better hope your ATF agent and prosecutor are nice guys and not looking for a bust and conviction to boost their next promotion.
It makes no difference to me who does this. I dont give a shit who goes to prison as long as it isn't me. As they say, FAFO. Dancing around the law thinking you are being clever is literally putting your freedom at risk. Even if you win - easily six figures in legal fees. You can legally buy a lot of factory silencers for that kind of money.
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People get busted for the craziest things. Or find themselves in trouble trying to make some kind of point. Like the dumbass in LA that blocks a car trying to pass and ended up getting run over. besides getting her legs broke, I'm sure she was astonished that the driver ran over her.
The lesson is, Wile E Coyote never wins. No matter how clever his tactics. Reason? His goal is misguided.
Meep Meep.
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Funny you mention those, I have a fake/demo Gemtech Halo that I got for fun years ago just to see how it'd attach. I like the QD muzzle brakes/hiders much better. Not that I'd want to try to make it work, looking at it there didn't appear to be a way to do so.